How to calculate the force required to lift an object into the air (helicopter)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to lift a helicopter, specifically focusing on the mechanics involved in using two fans for lift. Participants also touch on the necessary revolutions per minute (RPM) for the fans and the stability of the design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the force needed to lift the helicopter and the appropriate RPM for the fans.
  • Another participant questions the stability of a two-fan design, suggesting that it may be challenging without additional control mechanisms.
  • A different participant asserts that the force required to lift the helicopter is simply its weight, implying that this should be an obvious consideration.
  • There is a mention of an ongoing discussion about power requirements for drones lifting payloads, which may provide additional insights.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the RPM of the fans being just one of many factors that influence performance, indicating a need for a broader understanding of fan properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the questions posed, with some asserting that the force calculation is straightforward while others highlight the complexity of the design and stability issues. No consensus is reached on the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the assumptions behind the calculations or the specific conditions under which the helicopter would operate, leaving some aspects of the discussion unresolved.

SIDDHARTH MANWANI
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Hey everyone,I am trying to make a helicopter using an AVR or ARDUINO BOARD I wanted to know how do I calculate the force required to lift the helicopter.Can anyone also help me how much revolutions per minute(r.p.m) should the fans generate.I am planning to use two fans.
 
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Welcome to the PF. :smile:
SIDDHARTH MANWANI said:
I am planning to use two fans.
How are you going to keep it stable? With only 2 fans (and no cyclic control of the main rotor like a full-size helicopter uses), that can be harder. Are you wanting to build something like a drone?

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SIDDHARTH MANWANI said:
Hey everyone,I am trying to make a helicopter using an AVR or ARDUINO BOARD I wanted to know how do I calculate the force required to lift the helicopter.Can anyone also help me how much revolutions per minute(r.p.m) should the fans generate.I am planning to use two fans.
I don't think you are asking the right questions here. Isn't the force obvious? It's the weight of the helicopter!

And RPM; it is only one of many related properties of fans and not that meaningful on it's own.
 

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