Calculating Hollow Square Size for a Simple Lifting Machine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a simple lifting machine utilizing a hollow square frame. Participants are exploring the necessary calculations for determining the appropriate size of the hollow square based on the weight of the display and the structural requirements of the machine.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster seeks to understand the necessary calculations for the moment in their machine's construction.
  • Some participants suggest that if the frame is rigid, the diagrams provided by the original poster may be equivalent.
  • There is a question about whether calculating the moment is essential for determining the hollow square size.
  • One participant prompts the original poster to clarify which moment is being referred to and for what purpose the size is needed.
  • Another participant advises considering the forces acting on each tube, particularly the horizontal tube, as a starting point for analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of calculating the moment and the specific requirements for determining the hollow square size. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the rigidity of the frame and the specific forces acting on the structure, which have not been fully explored or defined.

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Homework Statement


I'am trying to make a simple machine which is to lift a display up and down. The construction mostly using hollow square.
so far I got the weight of the display and the support is 25 Kg and I have this kind of construction.
Beam.jpg

if simplified become like this

Beam 1.jpg

Homework Equations


which is the right moment happen in that construction?
a.
Beam 2.jpg

b.
Beam 3.jpg

Is that necessary to calculate the moment?
how do i get the right hollow square size?

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Assuming your frame is rigid, both diagrams are equivalent.
 
mfb said:
Assuming your frame is rigid, both diagrams are equivalent.

so calculating the moment is not necessary?
is there any formula to get the right size of hollow square?
 
Which moment, necessary for what?
Right size for what?
 
Ask yourself what forces each tube is subject to. Perhaps start with the horizontal tube.
 

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