Calculating inductance -- Mystery units?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of inductance for a motor based on torque and angular speed, as presented in a journal paper. Participants are examining the mathematical formulation and the resulting values, particularly focusing on the occurrence of imaginary inductance values in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their attempt to replicate a figure from a journal paper, noting the calculation of inductance yields imaginary values.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may stem from the subtraction within the square root in the inductance formula, indicating a need to check the absolute values of the variables involved.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the validity of the published paper, questioning how the results could be validated if their calculations produce contradictory results.
  • There is a specific calculation presented where a participant evaluates the inductance for a given flux linkage, leading to a negative value under the square root, which raises further questions about the correctness of the approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the calculations and the validity of the published results. There is no consensus on the source of the issue or the correctness of the inductance values derived from the paper.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the mathematical steps taken, particularly regarding the dependencies of the variables and the assumptions made in the calculations. The implications of using imaginary values in the context of inductance are also not fully resolved.

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Corroborating the output of a trivial equation
Hello.
I would like to replicate the plot (a figure) provided in an example. The example is presented in a journal paper and shows the calculation for the inductance of a motor with known torque and angular speed.
Below is the figure, and the table of parameters provided in the paper

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Border 2 in the above figure is given by equation 10, below:
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Calculating the inductance for the values of magnetic flux 0.24:0.05:0.260 as shown in the Figure, we obtain the values:
La_10 = 0.0000 + 0.0115i, 0.0000 + 0.0118i, 0.0000 + 0.0120i, 0.0000 + 0.0123i and 0.0000 + 0.0126i
Am I going mad?? :/ .

Code snippet:
N_a = 1500 % Speed [RPM]
Ta = 10 % Torque [Nm]
I_am = 20 % Armature current limit [A]
V_om = 100 % induced voltage limit [V]
V_lim = 160 % Voltage limit of inverter [V]
Flux_PM = [0.240:0.005:0.260]
La_10 = 1 / I_am * sqrt((V_om/N_a)^2 - Flux_PM.^2)
plot(Flux_PM, La)
 

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Jamie1234 said:
Am I going mad?? :/ .
You have imaginary inductance values, so it may drive you mad.

I suspect the subtraction within the square root is doing that to you. You will need to check the absolute values of those variables before subtraction, one or both of them would appear to be wrong. Is one dependent on the other, and you are not evaluating that deeper dependency ?
 
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Hi Bluncore. Thanks for your reply. Yes, mad as a hatter.

Yes, it's the subtraction in the square root as you mention. What gives me pause / confuses me; the paper was peer reviewed and published, the figure was constructed, and the results validated (in the paper). So it must be I that is mad..?

However; looking at the figure and table.
If we take a value on the x axis (flux linkage), say.. psi_a = 0.240, and from the table (and equation) we have, omega_base = Na = 1500 [RPM], and v_om = 100 [V], we obtain:
sqrt( ( v_om / omega_base)^2 - 0.240^2) = sqrt( (100 / 1500)^2 - 0.240^2) = sqrt( 0.0044 - 0.0576).

And yet, in the figure, for psi_a = 0.240 we have a value for the inductance of ~ 10.5 e-3 (shown in the figure to be the first point of boundary 2).

So who's crazy? and how has this magical value been obtained I wonder.
 
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