Calculating Length and Angle of Vectors in an Orthogonal System

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The discussion revolves around calculating the length and angle of vectors in an orthogonal system, based on an old exam question. Participants explore the implications of the vectors' lengths and the relationship between them, particularly focusing on whether the system is indeed orthogonal or not.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about calculating the length of vector $$u+v$$ and the angle between $$u$$ and $$v$$, questioning the assumption of an orthogonal system.
  • Another participant calculates the length of $$u+v$$ as $$\sqrt{13}$$ and suggests that the angle can be derived from the dot product formula, indicating a potential misunderstanding of orthogonality.
  • A later reply states that if the system were orthonormal, the angle would be $$\frac{\pi}{2}$$, but questions whether the current scenario aligns with that definition.
  • One participant clarifies that in an orthonormal system, vectors are orthogonal and of unit length, while noting that vectors in an orthogonal system do not necessarily meet these criteria.
  • Another participant emphasizes that an orthogonal set implies the inner product of distinct vectors is zero, distinguishing it from an orthonormal set.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the vector system, with some asserting that the vectors must be orthogonal while others suggest that they can exist without being orthogonal or of unit length. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of the vector system.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the orthogonality and normalization of the vectors, as well as the implications of the calculations presented. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or definitions involved.

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Hello MHB,
This is an old exam.
In top of the exam paper it says. Evrything is on Orthogonal-System

Vector $$u$$ got the length $$3$$, vector $$v$$ got the length $$2$$ and vector u-v got the length $$\sqrt{7}$$
(a) calculate length of vector $$u+v$$
(b) calculate the angle between $$u$$ and $$v$$

I did not understand how you do (a) and for (b) I got confused cause if it's orthogonal System then the angle will be $$\frac{\pi}{2}$$ but that is wrong. So I assume we don't got orthogonal system in this one?

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
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Re: Vector

Petrus said:
Hello MHB,
This is an old exam.
In top of the exam paper it says. Evrything is on Orthogonal-System

Vector $$u$$ got the length $$3$$, vector $$v$$ got the length $$2$$ and vector u-v got the length $$\sqrt{7}$$
(a) calculate length of vector $$u+v$$
(b) calculate the angle between $$u$$ and $$v$$

I did not understand how you do (a) and for (b) I got confused cause if it's orthogonal System then the angle will be $$\frac{\pi}{2}$$ but that is wrong. So I assume we don't got orthogonal system in this one?

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
|u+v|^2=u.u+v.v+2u.v=9+4=13 so |u+v| is the square root of 13.

b) u.v=|u||v|cosx. Solve for x.
 
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Poirot said:
|u+v|^2=u.u+v.v+2u.v=9+4=13 so |u+v| is the square root of 13.

a) u.v=|u||v|cosx. Solve for x.
the answer says $$\sqrt{19}$$ and in a ON system $$u*v=0$$ so I assume they don't mean ON system, thanks for confirming that i don't misunderstand!:) Now I get same answer as the solution ( I wounder what hapend those who did write that exam and did 'misunderstand')
$$|u-v|^2=u*u-2uv+v*v $$ and we know $$|u-v|=\sqrt{7}$$ so $$u*v=3$$
Thanks allot, got almost crazy and start read over about ON system over and over again :mad:

(b) If we assume it was ON system it would be $$\frac{\pi}{2}$$ that would be correct right? Or do I have misunderstand with this scalar product?

Regards,
$$|\pi\rangle$$
 
Re: Vector

In an orthonormal system, you have a set of base vectors that are orthogonal and have length 1.
A vector in this system is a linear combination of the base vectors.
Two such vectors do not have to be orthogonal nor do they need to have length 1.
 
Re: Vector

How can there be any ambiguity? An orthogonal set means the inner product of all distinct vectors is zero. The set is orthonormal if in addition, the magnitude of all vectors is one.
 

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