Calculating Lever Length for Optimal Effort: 0.6 kg Bar & 200 kg Object

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around calculating the optimal length of a lever bar, weighing 0.6 kg, to lift a 200 kg object positioned 60 cm from the fulcrum. The focus is on the mechanics of levers and the concept of mechanical advantage, with participants seeking clarification and additional information to solve the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a calculation method but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed after stating an initial answer of 2 m.
  • Several participants note that a longer lever increases mechanical advantage, suggesting that additional information may be necessary to fully understand the problem.
  • There is a repeated request for a diagram to clarify the setup of the lever and the positioning of the load relative to the fulcrum.
  • One participant emphasizes that the fulcrum's position is critical to the problem and reiterates the need for a diagram to aid in understanding.
  • Another participant mentions that their reference material does not provide a diagram, indicating a potential gap in the information needed to solve the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the length of the lever affects the force required to lift the load, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the problem due to the lack of a diagram and additional details.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the problem's setup, particularly the positioning of the fulcrum and load, which may affect the calculations. The absence of a diagram is noted as a limitation in fully understanding the scenario.

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a heavy bar, weights 0.6 Kg is used as a lever for
pick up an object from 200 Kg situated 60 cm
from the point of A support
Calculate the length that should have the bar to lift the
object with a minimum of effort

answer 2 m

ok we know 0.6x = 200.0.2 m
But how can I continue?
 
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Re: a bar problem

The longer the bar, the greater the mechanical advantage, which leads me to believe there is more here than is being presented. Can you post a diagram?
 
Re: a bar problem

MarkFL said:
The longer the bar, the greater the mechanical advantage, which leads me to believe there is more here than is being presented. Can you post a diagram?
The only thing missing is that it Is located at 60 cm from the point of A support
 
Re: a bar problem

So, the fulcrum is 60 cm from the end of the bar on which is located the load. The longer the bar, the smaller the force that is required to lift the load. I still say there is something missing here. Please post a diagram...this will make the problem more clear.
 
Re: a bar problem

Oh my book doesnot provide any diagram
 
Re: a bar problem

leprofece said:
Oh my book doesnot provide any diagram

Perhaps you can draw a diagram that reflects your understanding of the problem. This would be a supplement to the words you have used to state the problem, which at this point have not clearly elucidated the problem for me.
 

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