Calculating Linear Combinations of Vectors: Step-by-Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around calculating linear combinations of four vectors in three-dimensional space, specifically focusing on expressing one vector as a linear combination of the others. Participants are exploring the implications of linear equations and determinants in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to solve a system of linear equations derived from the vectors, questioning the uniqueness of the solution based on the determinant of the matrix formed by the coefficients. There are attempts to clarify the correct equations and the implications of determinant values on the existence of solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants correcting each other's equations and exploring different interpretations of the system's solutions. Some suggest that there may be infinitely many solutions, while others assert the existence of a unique solution based on their calculations. Guidance is provided regarding the use of matrices and row operations, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are navigating through potential typos and miscalculations in the equations, which may affect the outcome of their discussions. The original poster's question does not require explicit solutions, but rather an understanding of how to approach the problem.

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Homework Statement



Consider the four vectors (1, 1, 1), (2, −1, 3), (1, 7, −1) and (1, 4, 0). Calculate how many ways you can write (1, 1, 1) as a linear combination of the other three, explaining your reasoning.

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wouldn't any of these combinations give the correct answer if you multiply the vectors by the correct constant
 
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You got to solve a system of three linear equations with three unknowns (the three constants by which we multiply each vector in the linear combination of them). If the determinant of this system of equations is not zero then the system has unique solution, that is there are only three constants, so one possible way.
 
No. In fact, there is only one solution. Thankfully, the question does not actually ask you to calculate the answers. All you have to do is to either show how you that the system of linear equations
2x-y+3z =1 & x+7-z=1&x+4y=1
has exactly one solution. (If you've had matrices, that is a good way to go. For starters, you can check that the determinant of the corresponding matrix is non-zero.) You needn't actually calculate x,y,z, because I think the solutions are pretty big, like
353291421251867.000
-88322855312966.500
-264968565938900.000
 
nomadreid said:
No. In fact, there is only one solution. Thankfully, the question does not actually ask you to calculate the answers. All you have to do is to either show how you that the system of linear equations
2x-y+3z =1 & x+7-z=1&x+4y=1
has exactly one solution. (If you've had matrices, that is a good way to go. For starters, you can check that the determinant of the corresponding matrix is non-zero.) You needn't actually calculate x,y,z, because I think the solutions are pretty big, like
353291421251867.000
-88322855312966.500
-264968565938900.000

Sorry, but there is more than one solution. Check the value of the determinant of the system of equations.
 
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Oops. I miscalculated the determinant. I stand corrected. Thanks for the correction, Ray Vickson.
 
nomadreid said:
Oops. I miscalculated the determinant. I stand corrected. Thanks for the correction, Ray Vickson.

So would I have to calculate the determinant for each possible combination?
 
The idea is that x,y,z represent the factors that will allow x(2,-1,3)+y(1,3,-1)+z(1,4,0)=(1,1,1)
Giving you the three equations
2x+y+z=1
-x+3y+4z=1
3x-y=1
(Ah, sorry for my earlier incorrect equations. I should not answer these questions just before bedtime.)
In matrix form, this is
2 .. 1.. 1 ... .x...1
-1 .. 3 ..4 ... y... = 1
3 .. -1...0... z.... 1
The determinant of the left-hand matrix is 0. This means that there is not a unique solution. Therefore either there are no solutions or there are infinitely many solutions. Your next step is to determine which case it is: infinite or none. There are various ways to do this, but the easiest is just to try to solve it directionly without matrices. Label the first equation A, the second B, the third C, and you can use 4A-B to get an equation in only x and y, now combine that with C to find x and y, and with that try to find z in both A and B.
 
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nomadreid said:
The idea is that x,y,z represent the factors that will allow x(2,-1,3)+y(1,3,-1)+z(1,4,0)=(1,1,1)
Giving you the three equations
2x+y+z=1
-x+3y+4z=1
3x-y=1
(Ah, sorry for my earlier incorrect equations. I should not answer these questions just before bedtime.)
In matrix form, this is
2 .. 1.. 1 ... .x...1
-1 .. 3 ..4 ... y... = 1
3 .. -1...0... z.... 1
The determinant of the left-hand matrix is 0. This means that there is not a unique solution. Therefore either there are no solutions or there are infinitely many solutions. Your next step is to determine which case it is: infinite or none. There are various ways to do this, but the easiest is just to try to solve it directionly without matrices. Label the first equation A, the second B, the third C, and you can use 4A-B to get an equation in only x and y, now combine that with C to find x and y, and with that try to find z in both A and B.
when I use row operations on the matrix i get a unique solution
 
Mark53 said:
when I use row operations on the matrix i get a unique solution

OK, but that is not the correct system of equations. You should be looking at
$$\begin{array}{rl}
2x + 1y + 1z& = 1\\
-1x +7y +4z &= 1 \\
3x -1y+ 0 z& = 1
\end{array}
$$
The three vectors under consideration are (2, −1, 3), (1, 7, −1) and (1, 4, 0), not (2, -1, 3), (1, 3, -1) and (1, 4, 0).
 
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Oops, typos can do horrible things. Until someone legislates that 3=7...o:)
 
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nomadreid said:
Oops, typos can do horrible things. Until someone legislates that 3=7...o:)
From my calculations I get infinitely many solutions

so would i just write my answer as

x=2/5-(1/5)t
y=1/5-(3/5)t
z=t
 
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Your instructor certainly wants more than that: you show him/her how you got to those three equations, with a remark that these solutions are valid for all t (include domain).
 

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