Calculating load factor for airplane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the load factor for an airplane during complex maneuvers, specifically focusing on the combination of load factors in a twisted loop. Participants explore different formulas for load factor calculations in various flight scenarios, including loops and banked turns.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the formula n=V^2/(g*R)+cos(teta) for pull-ups in loops and n=1/cos(phi) for level-flight banked turns, questioning how to combine these for a twisted loop.
  • Others argue that the specifics of the "twisted loop" need clarification, noting that the load during a bank is not the same as during the pull-up phase.
  • A participant mentions several aerobatic maneuvers, such as barrel rolls and Immelmann turns, suggesting that these may have similar loading characteristics to loops.
  • One participant suggests using vector addition to find resultant acceleration, indicating a method for calculating load factors.
  • Another participant emphasizes that calculations for general maneuvers typically derive from aerodynamic forces rather than direct load factor calculations.
  • It is noted that a rolling airplane experiences different forces on each wing, but the load factor is primarily concerned with the acceleration of the airplane's center of gravity.
  • A later reply acknowledges a correction regarding the relationship between rotations and load factor, indicating a shift in understanding about normal load considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of load factors during a twisted loop, with no consensus reached on a specific method or formula. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to combine the various factors involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for clearer definitions of the "twisted loop" and the assumptions underlying the different maneuvers discussed. The complexity of real-world aerodynamics may not be fully captured in the proposed calculations.

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Hello!

When calculating the load factor in a loop the formula is n=V^2/(g*R)+cos(teta) during pull-up of a loop and another formula is n=1/cos(phi) during a level-flight banked turn. How does one combine these to calculate the load factor during a twisted loop?
 
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David__ said:
When calculating the load factor in a loop the formula is n=V^2/(g*R)+cos(teta) during pull-up of a loop and another formula is n=1/cos(phi) during a level-flight banked turn. How does one combine these to calculate the load factor during a twisted loop?
The problem is that you need to be more specific on what this "twisted loop" is. The load that you are calculating for the bank is not the load going into the bank, but the load you have once the bank is established. At that point you are not gaining (or losing) altitude. It is not obvious how that would combine with a loop.

There are several aerobatic maneuvers that are like a loop. The first is a barrel roll. That would have approximately the same loading as the inside loop.

The second would be an Imellmann where the loop is interrupted by a roll. Note that fully rolling while following the path of a loop is not possible because once the wings are pointed directly towards the center of the loop, the plane can no longer significantly accelerate towards the loops center.

The third is a snap roll. In that case, one wing has essentially no loading, the other has quite high loading. If done a maneuvering speed (as it should), that wing will be close to maximum loading.
 
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You can find resultant acceleration using vector addition.
 
Given a flight path, you can determine accelerations and the associated load factor (remember that a rolling airplane will have different forces on each wing). But only very simple, idealistic maneuvers are calculated as you are trying to do. Calculations for general maneuvers are done the other way around. The aerodynamics gives you forces from which the accelerations and load factor can be calculated. Then the flight path is calculated. There is no point doing calculations for maneuvers that the airplane aerodynamics can not do.
 
FactChecker said:
...a rolling airplane will have different forces on each wing
Roll, yaw or pitch rotations per se don't affect load factor. You are only concerned with the acceleration of the airplane's center of gravity.
 
David Lewis said:
Roll, yaw or pitch rotations per se don't affect load factor. You are only concerned with the acceleration of the airplane's center of gravity.
I stand corrected. I was thinking of normal load.
 

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