Calculating Logs: Solving Log_{10}(1.8)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the logarithm base 10 of the number 1.8, specifically log10(1.8). Participants explore various methods for computing this value, including series expansions and the use of calculators, while also expressing curiosity about the underlying principles.

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  • One participant inquires about calculating log10(1.8) without a calculator, suggesting a reliance on trial and error or methods like Hero's method for roots.
  • Another participant mentions the availability of logarithm tables and scientific calculators that can compute this value directly.
  • Several participants discuss using series expansions for the natural logarithm, specifically mentioning the conversion to base 10 using a constant multiplier.
  • A participant suggests expanding the series of ln(1+x) and substituting 0.8 for x to find ln(1.8), then dividing by ln(10) to obtain log10(1.8).
  • Another participant introduces a series for ln((1+x)/(1-x)), claiming it can be used to find the natural logarithm of any positive number, but questions arise regarding the convergence of this series.
  • Clarifications are made about the convergence conditions of the series, with one participant correcting their earlier statement about the range of x for convergence.

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The discussion features multiple competing views on how to calculate log10(1.8), with no consensus on a single method being preferred. Participants express uncertainty about the convergence of series and the applicability of different approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the convergence of series and the conditions under which they apply. Some participants also express uncertainty about their understanding of the mathematical concepts involved.

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How do i calculate [tex]log_{10}(1.8)[/tex] ?

I don't have a method for this kind of thing... I know that [tex]1.8 = 10^{x}[/tex]

Only thing i know to do is to use trial and error or possibly something akin to Hero's method for calculating roots.

Suggestions? My depth of logic is shallow indeed.
 
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This doesn't answer your question, but why do you want to calculate it? There are tables to look up. Also any decent scientific hand calculator will have it as one of the functions.

There are series expressions for the natural log. To convert to the base 10, there is a constant multiplier - look it up.
 
I would just like to know how :)

There are series expressions for the natural log. To convert to the base 10, there is a constant multiplier - look it up.

Of course, silly me...
 
Plug it in the calculator, some serious sarcasm on my part because i know you want to know how to do it without one.
 
expand the series of [tex]\ln\left(1+x\right)[/tex] and then plug in 0.8 in place of x in that series. now you have the value of [tex]\ln\left(1.8)[/tex]. if you divide this by [tex]\ln\left(10)[/tex], you will get the value of [tex]\log_{10} (1.8)[/tex]
 
Yup, i had a doh moment as soon as mathman mentioned "series expansion"...

Thx.
 
A somewhat more useful series for ln is ln((1+x)/(1-x)). You can get the ln of any positive number, since the series converges for 0<x<1.
 
mathman, sorri if I am mistaken as i usualli am, being 14 and ignorant, but wen u sed it converges for 0<x<1, did u mean for (1+x)/(1-x). if u didnt, then how dus that give u the ln and any positive number?
 
mathman, sorri if I am mistaken as i usualli am, being 14 and ignorant, but wen u sed it converges for 0<x<1, did u mean for (1+x)/(1-x). if u didnt, then how dus that give u the ln and any positive number?

My mistake: should be -1<x<1. For 0<x<1, you can get any u>1, while for -1<x<0, you can get 0<u<1.

The formula is easily solved for x to get x=(u-1)/(u+1), and x will be in the required range as long as u>0.
 

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