Calculating mass of vapor from vapor pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of vapor from water, benzene, and mercury in an open vessel at a specified temperature and volume, focusing on the application of vapor pressure and relevant equations. Participants explore the implications of Raoult's Law and the ideal gas law in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the calculation of vapor mass using given vapor pressures and the volume of the vessel.
  • Another participant suggests using the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) to calculate the number of moles of each substance, asserting that the presence of other gases does not affect the calculations.
  • A response clarifies that the three gases can be treated separately under the assumption of ideal behavior, allowing for independent calculations of their respective moles and masses.
  • There is a discussion about whether Raoult's Law is necessary for the problem, with some suggesting that it can be solved using the ideal gas law alone.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the assumption of no air in the vessel, indicating a shift in understanding regarding the application of the ideal gas law.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the volume, temperature, and pressure provided are sufficient for calculations, independent of the presence of air.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the ideal gas law can be applied to solve the problem, but there is some contention regarding the necessity of Raoult's Law and the treatment of air in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved on the best approach to incorporate the interactions between the substances.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the role of air in the calculations and the implications of using Raoult's Law versus the ideal gas law. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the interactions between the different gases.

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Homework Statement



An open vessel containing water, benzene, and mercury stands in a laboratory measuring 5.0 m by 5.0 m by 3.0 m at 25 degrees C. The vapor pressures are 3.2 kPa, 13.1 kPa, and 0.23 Pa, respectively. What mass of each substance will be found in the air if there is no ventilation?


Homework Equations



Raoult's Law
P_A = X_A * P^*_A

Where the P_A is the partial pressure of the diluted liquid, X_A is the mole fraction of the substance, and P^*_A is the partial pressure of the pure liquid.

P_{TOT} = P_{Air} + P_{Water} + P_{Benzene} + P_{Mercury}

Where P denotes the partial pressure of the specific substance such that all partial pressures add to the total pressure, which we take to be the pressure of the atmosphere at sea level: 101325 Pa.

The Attempt at a Solution



1) I tried calculating relative humidity for water by:

x = \frac{0.62198 * P_{Water}}{101325 Pa - P_{Water}}

And then calculated the mass of the water as: m_{water} = x*mass_{air}

This failed.

2) I calculated P_{TOT} by adding the partial pressures to 101325 Pa and then divided:

\frac{P_{water}}{P_{TOT}}

I then multiplied this result by the total number of moles of air, calculated as...

75 m^3 * \frac{1.2041 kg}{m^3} * \frac{1 mole}{28.97 kg} = 3.12 moles of air

And then converted the moles of water to kilograms. This also failed.

QUESTIONS

1) Do I need to consider the three partial pressures at the same time? Or all separately? In other words, does the partial pressure of the benzene interact with the air and the mercury? Or can I treat them all separately?

2) Which equations should I be using to find the number of moles of a substance that will vaporize at a particular temperature? None of the techniques I have applied above seem to include temperature...but I believe that a higher temperature should increase the amount of vapor in the air.

3) If I am supposed to use Raoult's Law, how can I calculate the mole fraction without knowing how many of each substance there is?
 
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This is simple application of PV=nRT.
 
My reply to questions:

1) For this problem, it is safe to assume that all three gases are ideal (that is, they do not interact), and they occupy the exact same volume. So you can simply consider the three partial pressures separately.

2) All you need is the good old PV = nRT, where
R = 8.314472 \frac{Pa*m^3}{mol * K},
T = 25^\circ C = 298K,
V = 5.0m * 5.0m * 3.0m = 75m^3, and
P =each individual vapor pressure, in order to calculate n for each gas and their respective masses:

n_{water} = \frac{P_{water}V}{RT}
n_{benzene} = \frac{P_{benzene}V}{RT}
n_{mercury} = \frac{P_{mercury}V}{RT}

m_{water} = n_{water}*M_{water}
m_{benzene} = n_{benzene}*M_{benzene}
m_{mercury} = n_{mercury}*M_{mercury}


3) This problem can easily be solved without using Raoult's Law, although its concept is implied. You can check that
x_{water} = \frac{P_{water}}{P_{tot}} = \frac{n_{water}}{n_{tot}}
x_{benzene} = \frac{P_{benzene}}{P_{tot}} = \frac{n_{benzene}}{n_{tot}}
x_{mercury} = \frac{P_{mercury}}{P_{tot}} = \frac{n_{mercury}}{n_{tot}}

Where
P_{tot} = P_{water} + P_{benzene} + P_{mercury}
n_{tot} = n_{water} + n_{benzene} + n_{mercury}, and

x_{water} + x_{benzene} + x_{mercury} = 1.

Even though it's an open vessel, we are told there is "no ventilation". This means we can assume the vessel contains no air, only the gas phases of water, benzene, and mercury.
 
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rbsaway, I didn't realize that I could assume there was no air in the room. pV=nRT makes a lot more sense now.

Thank you!
 
Air has nothing to do with the question - you are given volume, temperature and pressure. That's perfectly enough to calculate number of moles. Presence of other gases doesn't change it.
 
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