Calculating Percentage Uncertainty for Measured Lengths

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The discussion revolves around calculating percentage uncertainty for two measured lengths, a and b, given as 51±1 cm and 49±1 cm. Participants are exploring how to determine which operation (addition, subtraction, multiplication, or division) yields the largest percentage uncertainty.

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  • Participants discuss the application of absolute and percentage uncertainties in different mathematical operations. There is confusion regarding how to combine uncertainties for addition versus multiplication and division. Some participants question the calculations and assumptions made about the uncertainties.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of absolute versus relative errors, but no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

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Participants note that the problem is designed to be solved without a calculator, which may be influencing their approaches and calculations. There is also a mention of the need to clarify terminology around errors and uncertainties.

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Two lengths, a and b, are measured to be 51+/-1cm and 49+/-1cm respectively. In which of the following is the percentage uncertainty the largest?

A a+b
B a-b
C a x b
D a/b

The answer should be b but I can't figure out why. I know that for / and x you add the percentage errors so if the error is approx 2% then each of C and D have errors of 4% of their answers ie

C 51 x 49 = 2499 and 4% is ~100
D 51/49 = 1 and 4 % is 0.04

I think that for + and - you add absolute uncertainties ie 0,02 + 0.02 = 0.04 ie

A 51 + 49 = 100 and 100 x 0.04 = 4
B 51 - 49 = 2 and 2 x 0.04 = 0.08

But that makes C the largest error.

What am I missing here? It's supposed to be multiple choice, non calculator so I'm probably overthinking it?
 
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Don't see how absolute uncertainties of 1 each can add up to 0.04 ...
 
calculator20 said:
C 51 x 49 = 2499 and 4% is ~100
100 is the absolute error. You are only interested in percentage errors, so stop the calculation at 4%.
BvU said:
Don't see how absolute uncertainties of 1 each can add up to 0.04 ...
I'm guessing calculator20 is considering +/-1 as a range of 2.
 
I think that for + and - you add absolute uncertainties ie 0,02 + 0.02 = 0.04
@calc: 0.02 is the relative error! You want the absolute error here !

for error read uncertainty - saves confusion
 
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calculator20 said:
Two lengths, a and b, are measured to be 51+/-1cm and 49+/-1cm respectively. In which of the following is the percentage uncertainty the largest?

A a+b
Then a+ b= 100 +/- 2 cm (NOT 4) so the percentage error is 2/100= 2%

B a-b
a- b= 2+/- 2 cm so the percentage error is 2/2= 100%

C a x b

D a/b
The percentage errors for a and b separately are 1/51= 0.0196 or about 2% and 1/49= 0.02041 or about 2% so the percentage errors of a x b and a/b are 2+ 2= 4%

The answer should be b but I can't figure out why. I know that for / and x you add the percentage errors so if the error is approx 2% then each of C and D have errors of 4% of their answers ie

C 51 x 49 = 2499 and 4% is ~100
D 51/49 = 1 and 4 % is 0.04

I think that for + and - you add absolute uncertainties ie 0,02 + 0.02 = 0.04 ie

A 51 + 49 = 100 and 100 x 0.04 = 4
B 51 - 49 = 2 and 2 x 0.04 = 0.08

But that makes C the largest error.

What am I missing here? It's supposed to be multiple choice, non calculator so I'm probably overthinking it?
 
@Ivy: I thought we wanted calc to learn something, not have the answers dumped in his lap !
 
All in good spirit, of course...
 
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Thank you everyone. I'd gone with fractions rather than whole values. I can see where things went wrong now. Many thanks!
 

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