Calculating Position and Acceleration of a Test Car Under Microprocessor Control

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The discussion revolves around calculating the position and acceleration of a test car under microprocessor control, based on a given position function. Participants are seeking assistance with determining the car's position and acceleration at specific instances when the car has zero velocity. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to derivatives and critical points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the position function x(t) and requests help in finding the position and acceleration at the first and second instances when the car has zero velocity.
  • Another participant suggests using the definitions of velocity and acceleration as derivatives of the position function.
  • A different participant reiterates the need to differentiate the position function to find the velocity and set it to zero to solve for time, noting that there may be multiple solutions.
  • One participant expresses confusion over obtaining a specific time value (t=16) and seeks clarification on their calculations.
  • Another participant corrects the previous calculations, indicating that the derivative was misrepresented and provides an alternative approach to finding the correct time value.
  • A later reply indicates that one participant believes they have resolved their confusion and figured out the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct time values for zero velocity, as there are conflicting calculations and interpretations of the derivatives involved. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and potential misunderstandings regarding the differentiation of the position function and the subsequent calculations for velocity and acceleration.

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The position of the front bumper of a test car under microprocessor control is given by x(t)=2.17m + (4.80m/s^2)t^2-(0.100m/s^6)t^6
Find its position at the first instant when the car has zero velocity.
Find its acceleration at the first instant when the car has zero velocity
Find its position at the second instant when the car has zero velocity
Find its acceleration at the second instant when the car has zero velocity
Please anyone, I need help with this, I'm not getting the correct answer! Thanks
 
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velocity=x'(t)
acceleration=v'(t)=x''(t)

you will need to use these identities.
 
dovec said:
The position of the front bumper of a test car under microprocessor control is given by x(t)=2.17m + (4.80m/s^2)t^2-(0.100m/s^6)t^6
Find its position at the first instant when the car has zero velocity.
Differentiate to find the velocity function. Set that equal to 0 and solve for t. There apparently will be more than one solution. Put the smallest positive solution into the x(t) function and evaluate.

Find its acceleration at the first instant when the car has zero velocity
Differentiate again to find the acceleration function. Put the t you found above into that acceleration function and evaluate.

Find its position at the second instant when the car has zero velocity
This is why I said there "apparently will be more than one solution". Set t equal to the next larger solution and evaluate x(t) for that t.

Find its acceleration at the second instant when the car has zero velocity
Please anyone, I need help with this, I'm not getting the correct answer! Thanks
Put that new value of t into the acceleration function and evaluate. If you have done these things and are not getting the correct answer, show what you have done.
 
x(t) = 0 + 2(4.80m/s^2)t - 6(0.100m/s^6)t^5
dx/dt = 2(4.80)t - 6(0.100)t^5=0
I keep getting t=16, but that's not right, please help me solve! please!
 
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Hi dovec! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
dovec said:
2(4.80m/s^2)t - 6(0.100m/s^6)t^5

I keep getting t=16!

no you don't! :wink: put that equal to 0, and divide by t, and you get … ? :smile:
 
dovec said:
x(t) = 0 + 2(4.80m/s^2)t - 6(0.100m/s^6)t^5
dx/dt = 2(4.80)t - 6(0.100)t^5=0
This is not dx/dt, it's just x(t) again, with the initial "0" dropped!

I keep getting t=16, but that's not right, please help me solve! please!
If [itex]x(t)= 9.6 t- .6 t^5[/itex], then [itex]dx/dt= 9.6- 3.0t^4[/itex]
Set that equal to 0 and you get [itex]t^4= 9.6/3.0= 3.2[/itex]. Take the fourth root of 3.2. It is definitely NOT 16!
 
ok thanks a lot guys, I think I finally figured it out.
 

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