Calculating Probability for a C O2 Molecule in a Closed Room

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The problem involves calculating the probability of finding a CO2 molecule within a certain distance from the origin in a closed room, using a given probability distribution function related to diffusion. The context is rooted in statistical mechanics and diffusion processes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the problem, questioning whether it asks for the expectation value or a probability. There are attempts to set up the integral in spherical coordinates and concerns about the limits of integration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications on the nature of the integral and the correct approach to evaluating it. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance is being offered regarding the setup of the integral and the evaluation process.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating in spherical coordinates and addressing potential misconceptions about the integral's limits and components. There are indications of confusion regarding the mathematical expressions involved.

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Homework Statement



A C O2 molecule is released at the center of a closed room where the air is perfectly still. Take the center as the origin of coordinates. After time t has elapsed, the position of the molecule r is uncertain, but is described by the probability distribution function

f(r) = ( 1/ (4pi Dt)^3/2 ) * exp( -r^2 / 4Dt)

The diffusion coefficient of C O2 in air at 300◦ K is given by D = 1.4 × 10^−5 m2 /s. Calculate the probability to find the molecule within 0.5m of the origin after one hour.

Hint: Use spherical coordinates and convert the integral by integration by parts to one that you can calculate using the Gaussian distribution integral [say, in terms of the error function erf(x)]. Of course, you may need to use a calculator.

Homework Equations



Spherical coordinate: dV = r^2 sin (phi) d(phi) d(theta) dr

The Attempt at a Solution



Is it asking me to find <r^2>? If so, do I find it simply by integrating dr r^2 f(r) from infinity to minus infinity?

Why do I need to use spherical coordinates?
 
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No, the problem isn't asking you to find <r2>. It's asking you to find a probability.

The probability of finding the particle in an infinitesimal volume dv at the point x is given by f(x) dv, and the probability to find the particle in a volume V would then be
[tex]\int_V f(\vec{x})\,d^3\vec{x}[/tex]You need to express this integral in spherical coordinates and then integrate over the proper limits (not -∞ to +∞).
 
Thanks for the reply.

Here's my integral using dV in spherical coordinate system (where R = 0.5m) attached as an image. The integral of d(theta) gives me pi. But doesn't the integral of sin(phi) d(phi) give me zero?
 

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Don't see the new image, but I can make out some of the first one. I'm not sure why you have <r2> in there. That has nothing to do with the problem. You're integrating incorrectly if you get 0.

Calculate the probability to find the molecule within 0.5m of the origin after one hour.
 
If the integral of sin(phi)d(phi) is zero, doesn't this mean the entire integral becomes zero? And hence, is probability zero?

Thanks
 
Yes, and what I'm saying is that you're not evaluating the integral correctly if you're getting an answer of 0.
 
Doesn't seem that way. In the exponential, how'd you get the 3/2 power and why isn't r squared?
 

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