Calculating Q for {}^{12}_{7}N Beta+ Decay

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The problem involves the beta-plus decay of nitrogen-12 ({}^{12}_{7}N), requiring participants to write the decay equation and calculate the decay energy, Q. The subject area encompasses nuclear physics and decay processes.

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  • Participants discuss the decay equation and the correct representation of the decay process. There are attempts to clarify the roles of the particles involved and the conservation of charge. Questions arise regarding the calculation of decay energy and the necessary mass values for the involved isotopes.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the decay equation and the calculation of Q, with some participants providing insights into the mass values needed. Multiple interpretations of the decay process and energy calculations are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach or values.

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Participants note the need for specific mass values that are not provided in the original problem statement, leading to questions about where to find these values. There is also mention of differing conventions in calculating decay energy, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



{}^{12}_{7}N undergoes \beta^{+} decay.

i. Write the corresponding equation.

ii. Calculate the decay energy, Q.

Homework Equations



M\left({}^{12}N\right)=12.018613u

m_{e}=0.511\frac{MeV}{c^{2}}

The Attempt at a Solution



i. For the equation:

{}^{12}_{7}N\larrow{}^{12}_{6}N^{-}+{}^{0}_{+1}e^{+}+v_{e}

ii. Calculation of decay energy:

Q=M(12,7)-{M(12,6)+2m(e)}

Then input given values into this formula:

Q=(12.018613 \times 931.494MeV)-{M(12,6)+2(0.511MeV)}

.. how do I distinguish between M(12,7) and M(12,6)? Need to find
the value of M(12,6) which I think gives all values in the equation
for the calculation of Q.

I'm really not sure . Hopefully this is somewhat along the correct method.:smile:
 
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Don't you need electron capture for this decay to occur? Also, since a proton is changing to a neutron, you will get a whole new element.
 
Just noticed something messed up with the equation in my initial post. Yes it is \beta^{+} decay, or electron capture.

The equation should read:

{}^{12}_{7}N+{}^{0}_{-1}e^{-} \implies {}^{12}_{6}N^{-}+v_{e}

.. is this correct?
 
So the proton decays into a neutron and positron. But the isotopes will stay neutral.

{}^{12}_7\text{N} \rightarrow {}^{12}_6\text{C}+{}^{0}_{1}e^+ + \nu_e

Also, remember that the element will change since the proton number changes.

EDIT: I gave the positron a "mass number" of 0 and "atomic number" of +1 to make the math easier.
 
Right so your equation there is correct in this case? As opposed to my equation.

How to I go about calculating the decay energy?
 
The decay energy is just the difference in mass between the parent and the daughter atoms and particles.
 
.. so the difference between {}^{12}_7\text{N} and the sum of {}^{12}_6\text{C}+{}^{0}_{1}e^{+} + \nu_e?

So I'd need to look these values up online?
 
You had the right equation before. I will quickly explain it, or you can skip to the final answer.

Ok, so let me rewrite this so it makes more sense. Let's pretend there are no electrons present and we just have nuclei for the isotopes and the positron. So let me write it like:

{}^{12}_7\text{N} \rightarrow {}^{12}_6\text{C}+e^+ + \nu_e

Where those are individual nuclei with +7 and +6 charge, respectively (charge is now conserved). So the decay energy will be:

\Delta m = (\bar{m}_C+m_e) - \bar{m}_N

Where \bar{m}_C and \bar{m}_N are the masses of only the nuclei with no electrons. So let's add and subtract 7 electrons into this equation:

\Delta m = (\bar{m}_C+m_e) - \bar{m}_N + (7m_e - 7m_e)

Rearranging the masses of the electrons to form atomic masses we get:

\Delta m = (\bar{m}_C+6m_e) - (\bar{m}_N+7m_e) + 2m_e

Now writing it as atomic masses (not to be confused with the nuclear masses) we get:

\Delta m = m_C - m_N + 2m_e

So you just need to know the masses of the individual atoms, and the mass of an electron.
 
OK.

So I only know this though M\left({}^{12}N\right)=12.018613u

And the mass of an electron m_{e}=0.511 MeV/c^{2} [/tex]<br /> <br /> As both of these are defined in the question.<br /> <br /> How do I find m_{C} and m_{N}??
 
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Well you know m_N already, it is just the mass of the nitrogen atom (you are given this value in the beginning). Also carbon-12 has an important mass. The definition of the atomic mass unit is:

"A single atom of carbon-12 has a mass of 12 u exactly, by definition."

Hopefully you remember this.
 
  • #11
Ah yes I do remember now.

So: M\left({}^{12}N\right)=12.018613u , M\left({}^{12}C\right)=12.000000u , m_{e}=0.511 MeV/c^{2}

Then can plug these values into the equation to get the decay energy:

Q=\Delta m = m_C - m_N + 2m_e = -0.018613u-2m_{e} = -18.35989MeV

.. but this is negative. Can I just say it's positive? Or should it be m_N-m_C+2m_{e}??
 
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Why did you subtract the 2m_e in the last line? Also if it is negative, that just means energy is released from the system and this reaction is possible.

If it were positive, then that would mean energy would be needed initially to start this reaction. And it would be impossible to decay on its own.
 
  • #13
nickjer said:
Why did you subtract the 2m_e in the last line? Also if it is negative, that just means energy is released from the system and this reaction is possible.

If it were positive, then that would mean energy would be needed initially to start this reaction. And it would be impossible to decay on its own.

Isn't it the other way around? Plus my books also say that energy from a reaction is calculated this way: Q=[m_{initial} - m_{final}]c^2
doesn't this hold here?
 
  • #14
Well different books might write it in different ways. In the first post, Lissajoux wrote it as final - initial, so I kept it that way.
 

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