Calculating Radiation Power of a Ball at 10000K in the Range of 400nm-800nm

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radiation power of a ball at a temperature of 10000K, specifically within the wavelength range of 400nm to 800nm. The original poster mentions using the Planck equation and integrating it to find the solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the Planck equation and the need for integration over a specific range. There are inquiries about adapting integration methods for finite ranges and concerns about the correctness of integration results. Some participants express uncertainty about their integration skills and seek assistance in verifying their calculations.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts at integration and comparing results from different sources. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or results yet.

Contextual Notes

There are indications that the original poster is working on this as an extra exercise rather than a standard homework assignment. Additionally, there are references to discrepancies in results obtained from various calculators and sources, highlighting potential misunderstandings about the definitions of radiance and power.

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Homework Statement


I need to calculate radiation power of ball in range 400nm-800nm.
T=10000K
d=1um.

Homework Equations


I think I need to use Planck equation and integrate that.
My equation in link: http://imgur.com/XbAUwJ8

The Attempt at a Solution


I look for equations and laws and try to do my equation (above). If this is correct, I ask for help with calculate that.
 
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Thanks. Problem is that I don't know how to calculate integrate.
 
If you have not learned how to integrate you should consider reading up or watching some explanatory videos on YouTube. I suppose that if the question expects to you integrate for your solution you should have been taught it at some point before.

But if you do know how to integrate, and your only problem is that you are not confident if you did it right, we can help you here if you show us how you did it so we can correct your mistakes (and you can learn from it too!).
 
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I don't know how to integrate. That isn't a homework for all. It's an extra exercise for me. I hope that you will help me with it.
I do calculations in Mathematica. I put that:
Integrate[((2*Pi*6.63*10^-34*(3*10^9)^2)/x^5)*(1/(E^(6.63*10^-34*3*10^9/x*1.38*10^-23*10000))-1)*1.256*10^-11, {x,4*10^-7,8*10^-7}].
I use my equation just multiplied by c/4 and area of ball. Result is -4.31119.
This site: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/radfrac.html claim that result is 0.00269. Where I am wrong?
 
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kubajed said:
I don't know how to integrate. That isn't a homework for all. It's an extra exercise for me. I hope that you will help me with it.
I do calculations in Mathematica. I put that:
Integrate[((2*Pi*6.63*10^-34*(3*10^9)^2)/x^5)*(1/(E^(6.63*10^-34*3*10^9/x*1.38*10^-23*10000))-1)*1.256*10^-11, {x,4*10^-7,8*10^-7}].
I use my equation just multiplied by c/4 and area of ball. Result is -4.31119.
This site: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/radfrac.html claim that result is 0.00269. Where I am wrong?
This link shows the integral over a finite range http://www.spectralcalc.com/blackbody/inband_radiance.html
 
Which one of them is that what I am looking for? On this site is calculator too. It claims that result is 6.77561e+07 W/m2/sr. My site: 2.1447e+08 W/m2.
 
I have other question: how much photons (in visible range) will be registered in detector located 10cm far with diameter 1mm in 100ps?
 
kubajed said:
Which one of them is that what I am looking for? On this site is calculator too. It claims that result is 6.77561e+07 W/m2/sr. My site: 2.1447e+08 W/m2.
Those seem about right for the radiance. It asks for the power. The emitter is a tiny ball. Using https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/tools/thermal-radiance-calculator/, I get more like 2.2E-4W.

(There's something I'm not understanding in this topic. I see radiance quoted as W·sr−1·m−2. Suppose the ball's surface has a radiance R and radius r. It has a surface area 4πr2, so that satisfies the m−2. What solid angle should I use to satisfy the sr−1? 2π, on the basis that each area element is emitting into a half space? Doesn't really make sense to me.
I note that one of your results quotes sr−1 but the other doesn't, and the ratio is about π.)
 

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