Spectral radiance of the sun for 400nm

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The discussion revolves around calculating the spectral radiance of sunlight at a wavelength of 400nm using Planck's law, with a given temperature of 5800 K and a specific solid angle of 1/3600 steradians.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the application of Planck's law and the necessary calculations for spectral radiance, questioning the correctness of units and the relationship between the calculated values and expected results.

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Some participants have offered guidance on checking units and the implications of calculating spectral radiance at a specific wavelength. There is ongoing exploration of the relationship between the calculated values and known outputs from the sun, with participants considering the need for integration over a wavelength range.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding that spectral radiance is typically defined over a range of wavelengths, and there is confusion regarding the interpretation of results in terms of units and physical meaning.

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Homework Statement



Using Planck's law, calculate the spectral radiance of 400nm sunlight arriving at earth. Assume 1/3600 steradians of view and 5800 K of temperature.


Homework Equations



Planck's law


The Attempt at a Solution



I am not the best at typing formulas.

Lets start what we are raising e to the power of. We have the Planck constant times the speed of light over the wavelength times the Boltzmann constant times temperature.

Planck constant = 6.63E-34
speed of light = 3E8
wavelength = 400nm = 400e-9
Boltzmann constant = 1.3806488E-23
6.63E-34 * 3E8 / (400e-9 * 1.3806488E-23 * 5800) = 6.2095993290031215

Raising e to that power gives me 497.50187677476521, subtracting 1 gives me 496.50187677476521

So I have 2 * h * c2 / y5 divided by that value
Where h is my Planck constant as above
c2 is the speed of light squared, as above
y5 is my wavelength to the fifth, as above

Which gives 2 * 6.63E-34 * 3E8 * 3E8 / (400e-9 * 400e-9 * 400e-9 * 400e-9 * 400e-9)
which is 11654296874999994

Divide by what I had above gives

23472815351083 watts / square meter / steradian

or 6520226486 watts / square meter

or 6.5 gigawatts / square meter. As I am not instantly vaporized as I write my answer, I know I made a mistake. But where?
 
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Check the units, your calculation does not give W/m2.
Another way to see this: W/m2 is not a spectral radiance (you calculated something for 400nm, so the result has to have some relation to 400nm...).
 
Thanks, but I am still confused. Am I correct that I have 23472815351083 watts / square meter / steradian?

Googling a graph of the sun's output, I can see the correct answer for the question as I worded it is close to 1.6 watts / square meter of 400nm light. Which puts me off by a factor of 4e9, which is remarkably similar to the 400e9 wavelegth. Am I heading in the right direction, or is this a coincidence?

I understand that I need to integrate this from 400nm to 700nm if I want to know actual watts / square meter of 400nm to 700nm light over that range. However the integral of an incorrect function is usually an incorrect answer, so I want to leave out the calculus until I have the algebra working.
 
bvbellomo said:
Thanks, but I am still confused. Am I correct that I have 23472815351083 watts / square meter / steradian?
No.
To see that this is wrong, do the same calculation with 100nm instead of 400nm. What do you get?
You cannot get two different values for the total radiation if you calculate it in two different ways...

Googling a graph of the sun's output, I can see the correct answer for the question as I worded it is close to 1.6 watts / square meter of 400nm light.
That is not right. If you look at "exactly" 400nm, the power is zero. You always need a wavelength range to get a non-zero power. Check the range that is given there, I guess the value of 1.6W/m2 is per nanometer of wavelength.
Which puts me off by a factor of 4e9, which is remarkably similar to the 400e9 wavelegth. Am I heading in the right direction, or is this a coincidence?
The 4 could be a coincidence, the e9 is a hint what you did wrong.

I understand that I need to integrate this from 400nm to 700nm if I want to know actual watts / square meter of 400nm to 700nm light over that range. However the integral of an incorrect function is usually an incorrect answer, so I want to leave out the calculus until I have the algebra working.
Integrate from 400nm to 401nm, that should give a reasonable result as soon as you fix the error in the units.
 
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I think I figured this out. Intuitively, I understand the function I am integrating is really per nanometer of wavelength, but using SI units, my function is actually watts / meter (of wavelength) / square meter (of area) / steradian.
 

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