Calculating Reduced Mass of NO+ Molecular Ion: Missing Electron Considerations

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The discussion revolves around calculating the reduced mass of the NO+ molecular ion, specifically considering the implications of the missing electron in the calculation. Participants are exploring how to accurately account for the mass of the nitrogen and oxygen atoms in atomic units.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are examining different methods to calculate the reduced mass, including whether to attribute the missing electron to either the nitrogen or oxygen atom. There are also considerations about the accuracy of the mass values used and the implications of ignoring the electron altogether.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the logic behind the calculations presented and the assumptions made regarding the mass of the electron and the atoms involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of reduced mass, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take.

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Participants are grappling with the accuracy of the mass values provided and the implications of using approximations in their calculations. The term "about" in the mass of nitrogen raises questions about the precision required for the calculations.

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Homework Statement


I want to calculate the reduced mass of a molecular ion, NO^{+} (singly-ionized nitrogen monoxide molecule) in atomic units. My question is, how would I take into account the missing electron in this calculation.


Homework Equations


mass of N in a.u. is about 25525 a.u.

mass of O in a.u. is about 29157 a.u.

mass of electron in a.u. is 1 a.u.



The Attempt at a Solution



--Would it be reasonable to arbitrarily say that the electron was taken from the O atom and thus the reduced mass is given by the following:

(29156)(25525)/(29156+25525) = 13610.0 a.u.

--If I say that the electron was taken from N, I would get the following:

(29157)(25524)/(29157+25524) = 13609.9 a.u. --- not much different

Or I could find the reduced mass of NO and then subtract one:

(29157)(25525)/(29157+25525) - 1 = 13609.2 a.u. --- again not too different


Any ideas on which of these is the most correct way to do the calculation, or if there is another better way to approach it? Thanks.
 
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Or you could ignore the electron altogether and get 13610.2 for the reduced mass. So how accurate do you want your answer to be? When you say "the mass of N is about 25525 a.u.", what does the word "about" mean? If the mass of N is 25525 ± 1 a.u. then you can safely ignore the mass of the electron and stop agonizing about what to do with it.
 
May I just ask where you get your calculations from? I don't see the logic in them and calculating the mass of neutral NO doesn't seem to compute from it... (plus, your reduced mass is less than the mass of the individual atoms)
 
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May I just ask where you get your calculations from? I don't see the logic in them and calculating the mass of neutral NO doesn't seem to compute from it... (plus, your reduced mass is less than the mass of the individual atoms)

Does this surprise you? Reduced mass is given by

\mu=\frac{m_1*m_2}{m_1+m_2}

When the masses are equal, and they are nearly equal here, the reduced mass is half of either mass. I believe that's why it is called "reduced".
 
Whoops, my bad :-)
 

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