Calculating Speed of Dropped Tennis Ball: Explaining Conservation of Energy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a tennis ball when dropped from a height of 20 meters, utilizing the principles of potential and kinetic energy, specifically through the lens of conservation of energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to apply the formulas for potential energy (PE) and kinetic energy (KE) to find the speed of the tennis ball. There is a discussion about the implications of mass in the equations and the importance of maintaining it as a variable. Questions are raised about the second part of the problem, particularly regarding the assumptions behind the conservation of energy principle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the mathematical approach, suggesting that mass cancels out in the energy equations. There is ongoing exploration of the assumptions related to conservation of energy, particularly in different gravitational contexts, such as on the moon versus Earth.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of the ball's mass in the problem statement and discuss how this impacts the calculations and assumptions made. There is a focus on understanding the reasoning behind the conservation of energy rather than just performing calculations.

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Homework Statement


Using the formulae for potential energy and kinetic energy, find the speed that a tennis ball hits the ground when dropped from a height of 20m.

With reference to the principle of conservation of energy, explain why you could use these equations and what assumptions you have made.

Homework Equations


KE = 1/2mv^2
PE = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


The first part I think I'm ok with. The tennis ball is dropped therefore no KE only PE.
PE = 9.8 x 20 = 196 Joules.

It is the second part that I don't really understand. What is it asking me? Can somebody maybe re-frase this part of the question. Thank you.
 
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sorry. I forgot to turn that PE into KE by making 196 = 1/2v^2
This would give 19.79m/s
 
RachelT said:

Homework Statement


Using the formulae for potential energy and kinetic energy, find the speed that a tennis ball hits the ground when dropped from a height of 20m.

With reference to the principle of conservation of energy, explain why you could use these equations and what assumptions you have made.

Homework Equations


KE = 1/2mv^2
PE = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


The first part I think I'm ok with. The tennis ball is dropped therefore no KE only PE.
PE = 9.8 x 20 = 196 Joules.
You can't just drop mass from your equation because the ball's mass is not stated.
Keep mass where it belongs, but represent it by the symbol m.
PE = m x 9.8 x 20 = 196m Joules
 
Also best to avoid plugging in the number until the end.


PE = mgh
KE = 0.5mv2

0.5mv2 = mgh

Mass cancels.

Rearrange to give

v = SQRT(2gh)

Then put the numbers in.

As for part 2...

You need to explain why the KE the ball has when it hits the ground will be equal to the PE it had when dropped. What assumptions does that statement rely on?

Hint: Why would it be more reasonable to make that ssumption on the moon than on earth?

Make sure your answer mentions conservation of energy.
 

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