Calculating suspension requirements for a cart?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the suspension requirements for a cart intended for transporting a child, focusing on achieving comfort over uneven terrain. Participants explore various suspension systems and their implications for ride quality, without arriving at a definitive formula or consensus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a straightforward method to calculate suspension requirements based on the cart's weight, expressing uncertainty about the necessary forces for comfort.
  • Another suggests using a stiff axle with a flexible mounting system and an inflatable inner tube to create an adjustable air suspension, emphasizing the importance of securing the tube.
  • A third participant shares a personal experience with air bladders in a sports car, advocating for cushions inside the wagon to alleviate pressure points.
  • One participant provides a technical perspective on achieving comfort through natural frequency, suggesting a target range of 60 to 90 cycles per minute and specific spring rates based on the cart's weight and desired deflection.
  • This participant also mentions the concept of preload on springs to adjust static deflection while maintaining frequency, indicating a nuanced understanding of suspension dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and approaches to suspension design, but no consensus is reached on a specific calculation method or suspension system. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to achieve comfort.

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Limitations include the lack of a clear formula for calculating suspension requirements and the dependence on specific weight and design parameters that are not universally defined. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of comfort and suspension dynamics.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in DIY cart design, particularly for transporting children or pets, as well as those exploring suspension systems for comfort in lightweight vehicles.

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Hi, I am building a cart for my dog to pull around. I am going to put my child in it once they are about 1.
Something like this.
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The paths we plan to go on though are not very smooth so I want to fit some suspension to the cart to make a smoother journey.
Now the weight of the cart will be relatively little so I can't use trailer or automotive suspension, so I am wondering how do I calculate what suspension is required? I've google but not found a simple "input weight and find what suspension required" type formula. I want it for "comfort". This isn't a race cart and won't be cornering fast.

I'm sure I could make some sort of leaf spring / silvercross pram type suspension. but no idea to what forces it should be set to? twice the weight of the cart? 3x? 4x? not a clue.
 
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I'm not sure how you'd calculate that but I'd use a stiff axle like the one pictured and mount the wagon at 4 points, build the wagon to loosely bolt to the axle with a vertical slotted tracks at these 4 points (so the wagon body can travel up and down) build a flat box structure under the wagon (on the axle)... then just insert an inflatable rubber car or truck inner tube between the axle and the wagon, figure out a way to secure the tube so that it doesn't come out, then inflate it to the desired springiness. Then you have an adjustable air ride system.
 
The above "air suspension" is a good suggestion. I owned an early model Morgan sports cars that had an essentially rigid suspension and the seat cushions had an air "bladder" made up of a coiled bicycle type tube; and this system worked pretty well. Actually, placing a cushion inside the wagon is still the best way to reduce hard and painful pressure points on the seating area.
 
The suspension requirement for comfort is a natural frequency in the range of 60 to 90 cycles per minute (CPM), or about 1 Hz to 1.5 Hz. To get this, you will need springs that will cause the cart to sink between 4 and 10 inches under the cart's weight.

There is more information here.

There is a calculator here. For example, if you have a cart that weights 200 lb (loaded) and a 2-wheel and axle assembly of 20 lb that would mean 100 lb corner weight and 10 lb unsprung weight (for each wheel). You will find that you need a 20 lb/in effective coil rate to obtain a 4.5" [ = (100-10)/20 ] static deflection (or a 1.48 Hz wheel frequency). If you have a 1:1 motion ratio (like with a solid axle), this will mean a 20 lb/in spring for each wheel. Anyway, you can play around with your numbers.

If the static deflection is too much for your liking, you can add preload to the spring, i.e. having the spring compressed while the wheel is off the ground. The more it is compressed, the less it will initially deflect under the cart's weight. But the frequency will remain the same and the ride comfort criteria will still be respected.
 

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