Calculating Temperature Change in the Bullet and Block Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the calculation of temperature change in a lead bullet after it is stopped by a wooden block. The scenario involves concepts from thermodynamics and energy transfer, specifically relating kinetic energy to heat energy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and heat, questioning whether the temperature of the bullet increases or decreases after the collision. There are discussions about the mass of the wooden block and its ability to stop the bullet, as well as the implications of energy transfer between the bullet and the block.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made in the setup, such as the mass of the block and the nature of the energy transfer. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of kinetic energy as heat energy, but there is no clear consensus on the final temperature change of the bullet.

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There is uncertainty regarding the initial conditions, such as the mass of the block and whether it can move. Additionally, participants are discussing the implications of the energy transfer and how it affects the temperature of both the bullet and the block.

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Homework Statement
A 0,47 g lead bullet moving at 151 m/s is stopped in a block of wood. All of the kinetic energy goes into heat energy added to the bullet. The initial temperature of the bullet is 32 degrees C. What is the final temperature of the bullet in degrees Celsius. The specific heat of the bullet is 130 and the mass of the wooden block is 5 g
Relevant Equations
Mv^2/2
I think that the kinetic energy is equal to heat right. Mv^2 / 2 = ms delta T
Delta T is 0,64
But I don’t really know if the temperature decreases or increases at the end
 
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DaveC426913 said:
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osilmag said:
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Yes please
 
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DaveC426913 said:
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Oh ok, I will
 
avinhajo said:
Homework Statement:: A 0,47 g lead bullet moving at 151 m/s is stopped in a block of wood. All of the kinetic energy goes into heat energy added to the bullet. The initial temperature of the bullet is 32 degrees C. What is the final temperature of the bullet in degrees Celsius. The specific heat of the bullet is 130 and the mass of the wooden block is 5 g
Relevant Equations:: Mv^2/2

I think that the kinetic energy is equal to heat right. Mv^2 / 2 = ms delta T
Delta T is 0,64
But I don’t really know if the temperature decreases or increases at the end
Is that the whole question? Is there a diagram that shows whether the block can move or not?

Are you sure that the mass of the block of wood is not ##5kg##?

You might want to change the title from "Physics" to "Bullet and Block problem".
 
PeroK said:
Is that the whole question? Is there a diagram that shows whether the block can move or not?

Are you sure that the mass of the block of wood is not ##5kg##?

You might want to change the title from "Physics" to "Bullet and Block problem".
Yes, the mass of the wooden block is 5 g NOT 5kg.
There is no diagram but the bullet get stuck in the block so it’s an inelastic collusion I think. I’ve calculated the velocity of both bullet and block and got 12.97 m/s
 
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avinhajo said:
Yes, the mass of the wooden block is 5 g NOT 5kg.
There is no diagram but the bullet get stuck in the block so it’s an inelastic collusion I think. I’ve calculated the velocity of both bullet and block and got 12.97 m/s
I don't know that I would trust ##5g## of wood to stop a bullet. The ##13m/s## might be right (assuming the bullet does stop) but it is still quite fast.
 
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if we assume that it’s correct, the question would be if the temperature of the bullet increases or decreases at the end? The temperature difference is 0,64. So should the temperature of the bullet be 32.64 degrees Celsius or 31.36 Celsius?
 
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I would think that the change in energy would flow from the speeding bullet to the block/bullet mass, bringing the temperature of the bullet down, and the block up.
 
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avinhajo said:
if we assume that it’s correct, the question would be if the temperature of the bullet increases or decreases at the end? The temperature difference is 0,64. So should the temperature of the bullet be 32.64 degrees Celsius or 31.36 Celsius?

If you want to cool down a bullet you put it in the fridge! You don't fire it into a block!
 
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osilmag said:
I would think that the change in energy would flow from the speeding bullet to the block/bullet mass, bringing the temperature of the bullet down, and the block up.
Even though the question says “All of the kinetic energy goes into heat energy added to the bullet”.
 
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osilmag said:
I would think that the change in energy would flow from the speeding bullet to the block/bullet mass, bringing the temperature of the bullet down, and the block up.
You think wrong! Certainly the block ought to heat up as well, but the simplifying assumption is that the block does not heat up.
 
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PeroK said:
If you want to cool down a bullet you put it in the fridge! You don't fire it into a block!
Oh now I know, thank you so much 😅😋 🙏🏼
 
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avinhajo said:
if we assume that it’s correct, the question would be if the temperature of the bullet increases or decreases at the end? The temperature difference is 0,64. So should the temperature of the bullet be 32.64 degrees Celsius or 31.36 Celsius?
The temperature increase must be much greater than that.
 
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PeroK said:
The temperature increase must be much greater than that.
Hmm what have I done wrong? 🤔
 
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avinhajo said:
Hmm what have I done wrong? 🤔
It's hard to say since you haven't shown your working.
 
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PeroK said:
It's hard to say since you haven't shown your working.
 

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How much KE was lost by the bullet?
 
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5.3 J?
 
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avinhajo said:
5.3 J?
That sounds about right. How does that translate into a temperature increase?
 
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PeroK said:
That sounds about right. How does that translate into a temperature increase?
I don’t think I understand
 
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avinhajo said:
I don’t think I understand
You must have understood something to compute a temperature increase of ##0.64K##.
 
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PeroK said:
You must have understood something to compute a temperature increase of ##0.64K##.
Kinetic energy = heat energy?
 
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PeroK said:
You must have understood something to compute a temperature increase of ##0.64K##.
Is it 5,3 = ms delta T?
 
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avinhajo said:
All of the kinetic energy goes into heat energy added to the bullet.
I assume this should say "All of the lost kinetic energy goes into heat energy added to the bullet. "
 
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haruspex said:
I assume this should say "All of the lost kinetic energy goes into heat energy added to the bullet. "
Oooohhh I see. Thank you so much 🙏🏼
 
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avinhajo said:
Is it 5,3J = ms delta T?
Yes, so let's see the calculation. I assume ##s = 130 J kg^{-1}K^{-1}##.
 

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