Calculating Tension in a Massless Cable for a Moon Orbit

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The problem involves calculating the tension in a massless cable that hypothetically holds the moon in its orbit, rather than relying on gravitational forces. The context includes parameters such as the moon's orbital period, distance from Earth, and its mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of velocity and acceleration, with some questioning the original poster's approach to determining these values. There is a focus on the relationship between tension and gravitational force, and the need for correct expressions in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback and corrections regarding the equations used. Some guidance has been offered about the relationship between tension and gravitational force, while others are exploring different interpretations of the velocity calculation.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the correct formulation of velocity and its implications for the calculations. Participants are also considering the assumptions made about the nature of the forces involved in the moon's orbit.

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Homework Statement


Suppose the moon were held in its orbit not by gravity but by the tension in a massless cable. You are given that the period of the moon's orbit is T = 27.3 days, the mean distance from the Earth to the moon is R = 3.85 x 10^8 m, and the mass of the moon is M = 7.35 x 10^22 kg.

What would the tension in the cable be?

Homework Equations


Centripetal Acceleration = v^2/R

The Attempt at a Solution


Tension = Ma
a = v^2/R
v = 2pi/T

First I concerted the 27.3 days to seconds which is T = 2.358*10^6. Which means that v = 2.6638*10^-6. Then I plugged that in for a, so a = 1.843*10^-20. So then the Tension should be 7.35*10^22 * 1.843*10^-20 which is 1354.67N. But it is saying that is the wrong answer. What did I do wrong?
 
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Take another look at your equation for velocity. It isn't right.
 
thanks.. i figured it out :)

i calculated the angular velocity and got w = 2.66*10^-6 and then multiplied that by R to get the acceleration.
 
No, I mean it doesn't make sense. Velocity is m/s right? Where is the "m" in your equation?! If the moon is moving in a circle, what distance does it go in one revolution?
 
Velocity is the "directional displacement" covered over a period of time. Considering that the direction in this case is perpendicular to the radius vector at all points, you'd have to look a bit closer at v = 2*pi/T...is that really the "directional displacement" (distance in this case) over time?...you're missing a variable.
 
Since the tension is replacing gravity, it must be equal to gravitational force. So you could do F=GMm/d^2 for gravitational force.
 
tony873004 said:
Since the tension is replacing gravity, it must be equal to gravitational force. So you could do F=GMm/d^2 for gravitational force.

You technically could do this if the values they gave you are correct. But it might be best to stick simply to what you were doing earlier. You just need to take into account the right expression for the tangential velocity.
 

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