Calculating Tension in Mass on a Slope with Standing Waves

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The problem involves calculating the tension in a wire attached to a mass resting on a slope, with additional complexity introduced by standing waves in the wire. The mass is given, along with the slope angle and linear mass density of the wire.

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  • Participants discuss the confusion surrounding the geometry of the problem and the relationship between the mass, slope, and wire tension. Some suggest using force balance to determine tension, while others question the assumptions regarding the wire's mass and the application of relevant formulas.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of force balance and the need to consider the angle of the slope, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants note that the wire is assumed to be massless, which impacts the calculations. There is also mention of a diagram that may clarify the setup, but it is not included in the discussion.

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A thin wire is attached to a mass M = 3.67 kg, and hung over a pulley. The mass rests on a slope of angle θ = 35 °. The linear mass density of the wire is μ = 7.7 g/m.

Standing waves are excited in the vertical section of the wire:

The height of this vertical section is h = 2.0 m.
Take g = 9.8 ms−2.




(a) What is the tension of the wire (you may assume the wire is massless)?



I am confused because and I really don't know how to do this question;
I can't use the formula: [tex]v = \sqrt{\frac{T}{\mu}}[/tex] and then solve like [tex]T = \mu v^2[/tex] because the velocity is not given and I can't think of any way of calculating it..
The correct answer should be 20.6. I don't know what formula to use etc..

Thanks.
 
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Now I'm confused. Is the mass hanging from a wire or is it sitting on a slope? I would think you would calculate the tension using force balance, but I cannot figure out what the geometry of your problem is?
 
Dick said:
Is the mass hanging from a wire or is it sitting on a slope?

Actually it's both! Here's the diagram:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4437/imagego2.gif

It's very confusing, there's nothing on the equation sheet that works.
 
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Ooohhh. I see. I think you are supposed to assume that the wire is tied to the ground 2m below the pulley. Use force balance to find the tension in the wire assuming it's massless.
 
What do you mean by using "force balance"? - (?)

Could you please show me exactly what I need to do? :rolleyes:

You mean, I use [tex]\Sigma_{y} = T - m g[/tex] => [tex]T = m_{block} g[/tex]
3.67 kg × 9.8 ms^−2 = 36
But the correct answer is 20.6

(we were supposed to assume it's massless...)
 
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You would only need 36N to hold the block up if the ramp were vertical. It's not. Just do the usual thing of splitting the tension into tangential and normal components according to the angle of the ramp.
 
o, it's the assignment ;), just use the forces diagram
 
Dick said:
You would only need 36N to hold the block up if the ramp were vertical. It's not. Just do the usual thing of splitting the tension into tangential and normal components according to the angle of the ramp.

I meant 'splitting the WEIGHT into tangential and normal components'. Sorry.
 

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