Calculating the Mass of Earth's Atmosphere: What Assumptions Were Made?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of Earth's atmosphere, utilizing atmospheric pressure and the radius of the Earth. Participants are exploring the necessary assumptions and relationships between force, pressure, and area.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of total force exerted by the atmosphere and express uncertainty about deriving the mass of the atmosphere from the available information. Questions are raised regarding the use of gravitational acceleration and the height of the atmosphere as assumptions. There is also a debate about the applicability of Newton's second law in this context.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of gravitational acceleration and the need for clarity in assumptions. There is no explicit consensus on the methods being discussed.

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Participants are considering the average height of the atmosphere and its significance relative to the Earth's radius. There is mention of different approaches to calculating weight and mass, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the relationships between the variables involved.

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1.Atmospheric pressure is 101kPa
a) Calculate the total force exerted by the atmosphere on the surface of the Earth. Radius of Earth is 6.4 Mm
b)Calculate the mass of the Earth's atmosphere , State any assumptions made.




P = F/A ρ = m/v [\b]



a) Surface area of a sphere is 4∏r^2

A = 4 x ∏ x (6.4 x 10^6)^2
A = 5.147 x 10^14 m^2

P = 101 x 1000 Pa

F = (101 x 1000) x (5.147 x 10^14) N
F = 5.2 x 10^19 N

b) Not sure what to do here , I've only got force , pressure and area , maybe volume too.


 
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Nubcake said:
b) Not sure what to do here , I've only got force , pressure and area , maybe volume too.

You've also got the acceleration due to gravity. Make some reasonable assumptions about the average 'g' acting on a 'lump sum' model of the atmosphere.

- What's a reasonable approximation for the height of the atmosphere?
- How does it compare to the radius of the Earth?
- How much does g vary from the bottom to the top of the atmosphere? Is it significant for your purposes?
 
Why doesn't F = ma work in this situation ?
 
Nubcake said:
Why doesn't F = ma work in this situation ?

Who says it doesn't?
 
gneill said:
Who says it doesn't?

Well I used it and got a different answer to the right answer , instead of F = ma , W = mg is used.
 
Nubcake said:
Well I used it and got a different answer to the right answer , instead of F = ma , W = mg is used.

W, weight, is a force. g is an acceleration. It's just f = ma using different variable names.

You'll have to show your work so that we can see what it means when you say
you "got a different answer". Be sure to make your assumptions clear.
 
I guess I must have made a mistake with F = ma now that I think about it , I didn't rearrange the formula for mass .
 

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