Calculating the Moment from a Different Vantage Point

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The discussion revolves around recalculating moments in a 3D rigid dynamics problem after shifting the coordinate system from the center of mass to point A. The recalculated values showed discrepancies, particularly in inertia about the z and y-axes, which were multiplied by four. Despite including gravitational force effects, the results differed from the original solution, leading to confusion. Participants debated the location of the center of mass, with some suggesting that point A might actually be at the center of the rod. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexities of moment calculations in rigid body dynamics.
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Summary:: Just a simple 3d rigid dynamics question which I am trying to solve by placing coordinat system differently from original solution.Everything looks ok but results are different.

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Thats my question.As you see coordinate system was located at center of mass.I just shifted it to point A and recalculated values.
Everything was same except Inertia about z and y-axis which was multiplied by 4.But at the same time moment effect coming from gravitational force was included to calculations so i thought they will cancel each other.But results was different than was mentioned on the original solution.
I know it looks nonsense trying to figure it when i already have solution but I am kind of obsessed .

By the way my values were:
My values for coordinate system placed at point 'A':

w_z = 6 rad/s

w_x = 2sin(theta) rad/s

w_y = 2cos(theta) rad/s

w_x/dt = 12cos(theta) rad/s^2

w_y/dt = -12sin(theta) rad/s^2

I_z = I_y = 6*10^-3 , I_x = I_xy = I_xz = I_yz = 0

Sum M_x = 0 = M_A_x

Sum M_y = 6*10^-3 * -12sin(theta)* -6*10^-3 * 12sin(theta) = -144* sin(theta)*10^-3 = M_A_y

Sum M_z = 6 * 10^-3 * 2 sin(2theta) = M_A_z - 0.8*9.81*0.075*sin(theta) ==> M_A_z = 6 * 10^-3 * 2 sin(2theta) + 0.8*9.81*0.075*sin(theta)
 
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Tymofei said:
Thats my question.As you see coordinate system was located at center of mass.I just shifted it to point A and recalculated values.
I could be wrong, but I think that the center of mass of the rod is located at point ##A##. The rod passes through the slot in the table so that you see only half of the rod in the figure. Hope I'm not misinterpreting the problem statement.
 
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TSny said:
I could be wrong, but I think that the center of mass of the rod is located at point ##A##. The rod passes through the slot in the table so that you see only half of the rod in the figure. Hope I'm not misinterpreting the problem statement.
I don't thinks so,because in original solution it was placed at the center of rod,and inertia was calculated as '1/12*m*l^2' which gives you inertia about center of mass.
 
But isn't point ##A## at the center of the rod?
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TSny said:
But isn't point ##A## at the center of the rod?
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I didn't think so,but i guess you are right.
Thats the only way which explains .. thanks
 
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