Calculating the moment of inertia

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The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of inertia, particularly for a hollow disk containing a small metal ball. Participants explore the implications of mass distribution on inertia calculations and the application of relevant theorems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the standard formulas for moments of inertia of solid disks and hoops, questioning their applicability when mass is not evenly distributed. There is consideration of calculating moments of inertia separately and the potential use of the parallel axis theorem, despite some participants indicating they have not yet learned about it.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on calculating moments of inertia separately and referencing the need for clarity on the specific shapes involved. There is acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by the internal rim and the necessity of understanding different objects' inertia properties.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that they have not yet learned about the parallel axis theorem, which may limit their approach to the problem. Additionally, the presence of an internal rim affecting the ball's position introduces further complexity to the calculations.

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I know that for for solid disks, the inertia is equal to (1/2)mr^2 and for hoops is just mr^2. This only works for if the mass is evenly distributed around though. So what about when the mass isn't equally distributed? How would you solve for the moment of inertia of a hollow disk if a small metal ball inside of it?
 
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goomer said:
I know that for for solid disks, the inertia is equal to (1/2)mr^2 and for hoops is just mr^2. This only works for if the mass is evenly distributed around though. So what about when the mass isn't equally distributed? How would you solve for the moment of inertia of a hollow disk if a small metal ball inside of it?

You could determine the moment of inertia of the objects separately and add them. The parallel axis theorem may be of use if the object's individual moments of inertia are not co-aligned on the axis of rotation.
 
gneill said:
You could determine the moment of inertia of the objects separately and add them. The parallel axis theorem may be of use if the object's individual moments of inertia are not co-aligned on the axis of rotation.

We haven't learned about the parallel axis theorem yet, so I don't think I need to use that.

I forgot to mention that there is a rim inside the disk that keeps the ball at a constant distance away from the radius. Sorry! Would you still calculate the moments of inertia separately? How do you do that?
 
goomer said:
We haven't learned about the parallel axis theorem yet, so I don't think I need to use that.

I forgot to mention that there is a rim inside the disk that keeps the ball at a constant distance away from the radius. Sorry! Would you still calculate the moments of inertia separately? How do you do that?

Yes, calculate the moments of inertia separately. The moment of inertia of a spherical ball of mass M about a point a distance R from its center is just like a point mass M located at radius R. That is, MR2. The moment of inertia of your other object depends upon exactly what it is; is it a hollow disk or a hoop?

There are tables of Moments of Inertia for various objects to be found on the web if you google for it. If you want to determine them from first principles then you'll have to do the calculus. It involves performing an integration for each mass element dm over the volume of the object, determining the moment of inertia for each dm and summing them all up. Your text should have an example or two.
 

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