Calculating the motion of air cylinder

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The discussion revolves around calculating the motion of an air cylinder, specifically focusing on the properties of air and its behavior under certain conditions. The subject area includes fluid dynamics and principles related to pressure and motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning how to determine the mass of air in the context of the problem, with some suggesting it should be treated as a body of air at atmospheric pressure. There is also discussion about whether the motion of the air can be neglected compared to the motion of the glass cylinder.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and raising questions about the expected level of sophistication in the answers. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of air as a mass under pressure, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is mention of a mix of basic and advanced concepts in the question, which raises uncertainty about the depth of understanding required. Additionally, the original poster expresses confusion about the mass of the air and its implications for the calculations.

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Homework Statement
Find the time and velocity of the cylinder
Relevant Equations
ρ=m/V
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I am stuck at A, how do you calculate the motion of the air?
I know ρ=m/V but what is the mass of the air, or I got that question wrong?

Thanks
 
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BvU said:
Doesn't it vaguely say the motion of the air can be neglected ?
The opposite… that the motion of the glass can be neglected in comparison to the motion of the air. Even then, we are told to show that, not assume it.
 
Some1WhoNeedsHelp said:
what is the mass of the air
I think you are supposed to treat it as a body of air, at atmospheric pressure, of the same volume as the space to be filled. As such, it is just a mass to be propelled by a constant pressure difference.
What bothers me is the mix of basic and advanced concepts in the one question. Makes it hard to know what degree of sophistication is expected in the answer. Are we expected to treat it as Bernoulli for compressible fluid?
I guess we can rule out a molecular kinetics approach, in which there would be no specific time at which the air as a whole reaches the water. Rather, some molecules would arrive at up to 400m/s, others rather later as they bounce around along the way.
 
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Some1WhoNeedsHelp said:
Homework Statement:: Find the time and velocity of the cylinder
Relevant Equations:: ρ=m/V

I am stuck at A, how do you calculate the motion of the air?
I know ρ=m/V but what is the mass of the air, or I got that question wrong?
@Some1WhoNeedsHelp -- Please post a new thread start with the suggestions that I sent you in a PM. Thank you.
 
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