Calculating the normal force due to moment load on a thrust bearing

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The discussion revolves around calculating the normal force acting on the pads of a thrust bearing subjected to axial and moment loads. Participants explore the design considerations and forces involved in the bearing's operation, including the implications of the shaft's constraints and the alignment of the rings.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the required force for the bearing to turn and the acceptable pressure on the individual pads, noting the influence of axial and moment loads.
  • Another participant questions the presence of a moment load, suggesting that the shaft should be constrained along its axis.
  • A response clarifies that the shaft is not constrained along its axis and is short, with its length equal to the diameter of the bearing.
  • Concerns are raised about the alignment of the two rings if the shaft is not radially restrained, along with a request for a detailed drawing of the load vectors on the most heavily loaded pad.
  • A participant indicates that the final design will include radial constraints that will not affect the previously discussed loads and provides an edited drawing of the heavily loaded pad.
  • Further questions are posed regarding the stationary nature of the bottom plate, the fixation of the rub segments, and the accuracy of the dimensions in the detail drawing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the constraints of the shaft and the implications for load distribution and alignment. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculating the forces on the pads and the design considerations necessary for stability.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not yet established a consensus on the effects of the moment load or the implications of the shaft's constraints on the bearing design. There are also unresolved questions regarding the accuracy of the design details presented.

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Calculating the normal force in the bearing pads of a thrust-bearing due to axial and moment loads.
Hello all!

I have a mathematical question for you. I'm trying to design a thrust bearing that can withstand axial and moment loads. I've added a picture of a similar design. The design consists of two rings (grey) and sliding pads (blue) fixed on the bottom ring. The top ring slides over the blue pads. The blue pads are made of an plastic with a low coefficient of friction. I would like to calculate the required force needed for the bearing to turn. therefore I need to know the force acting on the individual pads. I would also like to check whether the pressure on the individual pads will be acceptable.

The axial load will need to be large enough to keep the bearing in place. But once that is the case the moment load will put an extra force on the pads on the right side of the bearing and relieve the pads on the left. I trying to find any formula's that could help me solve this issue but sofar I haven't been able to find suitable information regarding this issue.

I hope there are people out there that can help me a bit further! I there are any question I will be happy to answer those!

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vatuhiva said:
Summary: Calculating the normal force in the bearing pads of a thrust-bearing due to axial and moment loads.

the moment load will put an extra force on the pads on the right side of the bearing and relieve the pads on the left
Silly question , but why is there a moment? Is the shaft not constrained along its axis.
 
256bits said:
Silly question , but why is there a moment? Is the shaft not constrained along its axis.
not a silly question, the shaft is not constrained along its axis. Also, the shaft is extremely short, the length of the shaft is the same as the diameter of the bearing
 
If the shaft is not restrained radially, will there be a problem of keeping the two rings in alignment with each other?
Also, can you show us a detail drawing of the most heavily loaded segment (plastic pad on the right) with load vectors as you see them on this one pad.
 
AZFIREBALL said:
If the shaft is not restrained radially, will there be a problem of keeping the two rings in alignment with each other?
Also, can you show us a detail drawing of the most heavily loaded segment (plastic pad on the right) with load vectors as you see them on this one pad.
Hi Azfireball,

this is a simplified version of the final design, in the final design the rings will be radially constrained, but it will be done in such a way to have no effect on the loads previously presented.

below I edited the drawing to have a crosssection of the heaviest loaded pad. The forces will be perpendicular to the pad. Does this answer you questions?
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Is the bottom plate stationary (Fixed in position?)
Are the rub segments fixed to the lower plate?
Are the aspect dimensions (height to width) of the rub segment accurately depicted in the new rub segment detail drawing?
 

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