Calculating the Speed of a Space Dragon's Tail: Dr Who Episode Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical calculation of the speed of a dragon's tail as depicted in a Dr Who episode, specifically analyzing the implications of the moon's size and gravity in this fictional context. Participants explore various assumptions and calculations related to the scenario presented in the show.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant estimates the speed of the dragon's tail to be 6500 km/s based on the assumption that the moon has the same diameter as Earth and takes 1 second to flap its tail half that distance.
  • Another participant questions the assumption about the moon's size and density, suggesting that if the moon had the same gravity as Earth, it would need to be larger than Earth, proposing a size of about 10000 km and a speed of 10000 km/s.
  • This second participant also considers the effects of increased gravity on the moon's density, hypothesizing a 10% increase in density and a corresponding decrease in radius to 9000 km, leading to a tail speed of 9000 km/s.
  • Several posts shift the focus from the calculations to broader commentary on the Dr Who series, discussing the balance between silliness and brilliance in various episodes.
  • Participants reference other episodes and elements of the series, including a "space whale" and its role as an energy source, indicating a mix of humor and nostalgia in their responses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the calculations regarding the speed of the dragon's tail, with multiple competing views presented. Participants also diverge in their opinions on the quality and nature of the Dr Who series, reflecting a mix of agreement and differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on fictional premises from the Dr Who series, which may not align with real-world physics. Assumptions about the moon's size, density, and the implications of gravity are not universally accepted and remain speculative.

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Fans of Dr Who, those interested in speculative physics, and individuals exploring the intersection of science fiction and scientific reasoning may find this discussion engaging.

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Last week's Dr Who episode "Kill the Moon" infected me with stupid, and now I am compelled to try to calculate the speed at which the dragon wags it's tail.

Observational data:
1) Earth's moon had grown to have Earth gravity at this point, so I am assuming that it was also the size of the Earth when it turned into a puff cloud and vanished.

2) The dragon took about 1 second to flap it's tail half the distance that appears to be equal to the diameter of the Earth.

Looking up the size of Earth, I get (13000/2)/1= 6500 kps.

Obviously I've never tried anything quite like this before, how badly did I do?
 
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Algr said:
Dr Who(...) infected me with stupid, and now I am compelled
That's probably the most accurate description ever of the Dr Who phenomenon.

I haven't seen that one. So the Moon has grown in size?
I presume the internal composition hasn't changed, though. This'd mean it needs to be larger than Earth for the same gravity, due to lower density. From memory, the density ratio is something like 3/5, so the Moon radius would need to be 5/3 times larger than Earth's. That's about 10000km. So by this estimate it's 10000km/s.

However, it's *cough* unreasonable to assume the Moon wouldn't get compressed under its, now higher, gravity, so its denisty would be higher than originally. How much it'd compress is something I can't fathom, but by pulling a number out of my behind I'd give it a 10% increase in density, leading to 10% change in radius = 9000km. And the tail swing is at 9000km/s.
 
Dr Who has some Spock's Brains in it, but other episodes can be very thoughtful and creative. "Hide" a few weeks ago was very good. I gather that the next one is getting good reviews - It is about creatures from the second dimension.
 
I've only watched Eccleston's and Tennant's incarnations. Skipped Smith altogether, and I can't get my head around Capaldi - after seeing him in "The thick of it" I keep expecting him to be spouting streams of invectives every five minutes.

But yeah, most of the series seems to be balancing on the fine line between plain silly, and the brilliant moments like "Midnight" or "Blink".
 
Bandersnatch said:
I can't get my head around Capaldi - after seeing him in "The thick of it" I keep expecting him to be spouting streams of invectives every five minutes
Weeall...he has got his moments...
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(Flippity*-bye)

*Yeah that’s the TARDIS’s swear filter...
 
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Bandersnatch said:
most of the series seems to be balancing on the fine line between plain silly, and the brilliant moments like "Midnight" or "Blink".
I guess you haven't seen the very first Dalek episodes. I'm not sure which was sillier: the old Dalek implementation (with Morris Minor indicator lights on their domes), or Barbara's 1960's hairstyle. :D

BTW, (speaking of "stupid space dragons"...), can anyone recall which episode had a "space whale" as an energy source. Was that Dr Who or Torchwood?
 
strangerep said:
BTW, (speaking of "stupid space dragons"...), can anyone recall which episode had a "space whale" as an energy source. Was that Dr Who or Torchwood?
I remember that one. A quick peek at wikipedia reveals it was "The Beast Below", and that I have actually watched quite a good bit of Smith's episodes. Huh.
 
There was also a Torchwood called "Meat" where this whale-sized alien was captured and the bad guys kept cutting parts of it away and selling it to restaurants and grocery stores. (It had fast healing so it grew back, but was in pain.)
 
What's stupid about space dragons? They're probably more feasible than time travel, faster-than-light and transporters.
 
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Carno Raar said:
What's stupid about space dragons?
They're not very intelligent.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
not very intelligent.
Signed away the residuals?
 
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Not stupid at all. It's just horrible to be raped by a dragon's tail, I may get the true meaning of penetration.
 

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