Calculating the time to cross a river

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time and distance for a boat crossing a river, specifically focusing on the effects of current and velocity components. The original poster is attempting to reconcile their calculations with provided answers, particularly regarding the distance and time formulas.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster presents their reasoning involving velocity components and position vectors, questioning their results against the book's answers. Some participants suggest the need for integration to determine the distance due to variable velocity components, while others point out potential errors in the original poster's equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, offering corrections and alternative approaches. There is a recognition of errors in the original calculations, and suggestions for integrating the velocity to find the correct distance are being explored. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions, which may affect clarity in communication. The problem involves understanding the dynamics of motion in a river with a current, which introduces complexities in the calculations.

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Homework Statement
To calculate time to cross a river
Relevant Equations
d = st
Could I please ask for help on the last part of this question:

river.JPG


So, part b, I get the right time but not the right distance.

Book answers are: distance = 1/6 and time = a/V.

Here's my (faulty?) reasoning (LaTeX isn't working for me):

The boat is steered due east and so would have a velocity of V east and 0 north but for the current of speed u = x(a-x)V / a^2 which will push it north, so velocity vector of boat is:

V i + ( x(a-x)V/a^2 ) j

Therefore the position vector of the boat at time t will be:

V t i + ( x(a-x)V t /a^2 ) j - Call this "Equation 1"

We can see that the j component is equal to x(a-x)/a^2 times the i component and so the gradient of this line is a(a-x)/a^2 as required.

So boat will have crossed river when Vt = a and so t = a/V as required.

Finally, to calculate the distance AC, I put this time into the y component of Equation 1 and this gives me y = x(a-x) / a

Not 1 / 6.

Thanks for any help,
Mitch.
 
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The N-S component of the velocity is variable. You have to integrate to get the distance, surely?
 
gnits said:
(faulty?) reasoning
faulty indeed. You can check yourself that this does not satisfy the given equation.

Cause: there is no motion with constant acceleration in the y direction. The river doesn't 'push' with a constant force !

You will have to solve that differential equation to obtain he given answer, which should not be ##1/6## but something with the dimension of length.

gnits said:
LaTeX isn't working for me
That is strange. For most others it works just fine. Do you enclose things in ## for in-line math and in $$ for displayed math ?
e.g. $$ \vec v = V \left ( {\bf\hat\imath } + {x(a-x)\over a^2 } {\bf\hat\jmath } \right ) $$ gives
$$ \vec v = V \left ( {\bf\hat\imath } + {x(a-x)\over a^2 } {\bf\hat\jmath } \right ) $$ (which is correct).
 
Your equation 1 is wrong. The i-component is correct but the j-component is wrong. To find the j-component correctly you have to integrate the velocity ##u##, first replace ##x=Vt## in the expression of ##u## and then integrate with respect to the time ##t##.

EDIT:I edited this post, integration with respect to x was a bad idea.
EDIT2: Well because there is linear relationship between x and t it turns out that the integral $$\int_0^a\frac{x(a-x)}{a^2}dx=\int_0^{\frac{a}{V}}\frac{Vt(a-Vt)}{a^2}Vdt=AC$$
 
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Thanks all for your help. I see my error now. Thanks very much for the quick help.
 

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