Calculating Time with Forces Acting on a Block

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for a block to travel a horizontal distance under the influence of forces, specifically focusing on the relationship between acceleration, angle, and time. The subject area includes concepts from kinematics and dynamics, particularly involving forces and motion.

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  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations and derivatives to find the minimum time for a block's motion. There are suggestions to maximize horizontal acceleration and explore the implications of different angles on the motion. Some participants question the complexity of the derivative approach and consider alternative methods.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and alternative perspectives on maximizing acceleration and minimizing time. There is recognition of the challenges posed by the calculus involved, and some participants are exploring simpler approaches to the problem.

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There is mention of fixed distances and the need to optimize angles, which suggests constraints on the problem setup. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with calculus and different strategies for approaching the problem.

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Homework Statement
A block starts at rest and slides down a frictionless plane inclined at an angle ##\theta##. What should ##\theta## be so that the block travels a given horizontal distance in the minimum amount of time?
Relevant Equations
$$F=ma$$
When drawing a diagram of the forces acting on the block, I have the following forces: $$\sum F_x = a_x = (g \sin\theta) \cos \theta .$$

Now, I can use the following kinematic equation $$x=vt+\frac{a_xt^2}{2}$$, where $$v=0$$ and $$a_x = (g \sin\theta) \cos \theta$$ $$\therefore \frac{2x}{t^2} = (g \sin\theta) \cos \theta .$$

Now in order to obtain the minimum amount of time, I will need to take the derivative and set it equal to zero but this is where I get stuck and don't know how to proceed?
 
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What if you simply maximise the horizontal acceleration? Does that work?
 
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Hi.

To travel a given horizontal distance (x) in the minimum amount of time (t) requires you to maximise horizontal acceleration. You have already found that a_x = (g \sin\theta) \cos \thetaHint: sin(2A) = sinA cos(A) and ask yourself for what value of A is sin(2A) maximum? No calculus needed!

Alternatively, if you are required to provide a calculus-based solution, express t as a function of \theta, treating x as a constant (since it is a 'fixed distance'). Then differentiate and solve \frac {dt}{d\theta} = 0 as usual.
 
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Ah, I see thank you @PeroK and @Steve4Physics. The derivative expressing ##t## as a function of ##\theta## turned out to be messy where I had to solve the following: $$\frac{dt}{d\theta}=\sqrt{\frac{4x}{g\sin2\theta}}=0$$ so instead I just took the hint you provided of maximizing the horizontal acceleration by focusing on values that maximizes the function ##\sin2\theta## which is ##\frac{\pi}{4}##.
 
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Here's another tip: maximising or minimising ##t## is the same as maximising or minimising ##t^2##. That can be very useful. Same for ##v## and ##v^2##.

The same if you have to maximise ##\theta## and you have a formula for ##\tan \theta##. Just let ##u = \tan \theta## and maximise ##u##.
 
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tryingtolearn1 said:
Ah, I see thank you @PeroK and @Steve4Physics. The derivative expressing ##t## as a function of ##\theta## turned out to be messy where I had to solve the following: $$\frac{dt}{d\theta}=\sqrt{\frac{4x}{g\sin2\theta}}=0$$ so instead I just took the hint you provided of maximizing the horizontal acceleration by focusing on values that maximizes the function ##\sin2\theta## which is ##\frac{\pi}{4}##.
I assume you mean $$\frac{dt}{d\theta}=\frac{d}{d\theta}\sqrt{\frac{4x}{g\sin2\theta}}=0$$
 
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