Calculating Torque with Vectors at an Angle

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The discussion revolves around calculating torque involving vectors at an angle, specifically focusing on how to account for a vector labeled G when calculating torque from a point B. Participants are exploring the relationship between the vector components and the lever arm in the context of torque calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the appropriate lever arm when considering the perpendicular component of the force vector G. Questions are raised about the line of action for the force and how it relates to the slope in the problem setup.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested considering the perpendicular component of the force relative to the slope and have discussed the implications of the line of action. There is an ongoing exploration of how to define the lever arm and its relationship to the points involved in the torque calculation.

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Participants are working with a specific geometric setup involving a slope and points B and D, which may influence their calculations. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the definitions and relationships of the components involved in the torque calculation.

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So I was wondering how do we account for vectors that are at a certain angle. The problem that I'm having with the picture is: if I was calculating torque from point B, how would I account for the vector G.
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I've tried taking the component that's vertical to the slope, but in that case what is the lever arm? Is it where the vector G crosses the slope(point D)?
 
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lukatwo said:

Homework Statement


So I was wondering how do we account for vectors that are at a certain angle. The problem that I'm having with the picture is: if I was calculating torque from point B, how would I account for the vector G.
mmUnGvT.png


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The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried taking the component that's vertical to the slope, but in that case what is the lever arm? Is it where the vector G crosses the slope(point D)?
Try taking the component that's perpendicular to the ramp (incline).

Do you know about the line of action for a force -- in this case force G ?
 
I've tried taking the perpendicular component, but not sure what the lever arm is. I'm not sure how to determine the line of action.
 
lukatwo said:
I've tried taking the perpendicular component, but not sure what the lever arm is. I'm not sure how to determine the line of action.

By extending the force T, you can see that it will contact point D. So it is like you're applying the force T directly on point D and the lever arm will be BD. Then take the perpendicular component of force T relative to the slope.

You can always check.
If we assume that BT is perpendicular to force T (note: BT is the dist. bet. B and T)
From the figure, the τ = T*(BT) . But, BT = BDsin(90-α). Therefore τ = T*(BDsin(90-α)) [1].
Returning to your problem, τ = Txr where r is the lever arm. The perpendicular component of T is Tsin(90-α). Therefore τ = Tsin(90-α)*r = T*(BDsin(90-α)) from [1]. Therefore r = BD.
 
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