Calculating Volume in the First Quadrant: y = x^4, y = \sqrt[4]{x}, and z = xy^3

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a region in the first quadrant of the x-y plane, bounded by the curves y = x^4 and y = \sqrt[4]{x}, and above by the surface z = xy^3. Participants explore different methods of setting up the double integrals needed for the volume calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method for calculating the volume using the integral setup: \left[\int_{x=0}^{1}\int_{y=0}^{\sqrt[4]{x}}xy^3 dxdy\right] - \left[\int_{x=0}^{1}\int_{y=0}^{x^4}xy^3 dxdy\right].
  • Another participant questions the validity of a different integral setup: \int_{x=y^4}^{\sqrt[4]{y}}\int_{y=x^4}^{\sqrt[4]{x}}xy^3 dxdy, noting that the limits are dependent on another variable, which complicates the integration process.
  • A further reply emphasizes that the limits of integration for the outer integral must be constants, not functions of another variable, and suggests an alternative integral setup: \int_{x=0}^1\int_{y= x^4}^{\sqrt[4]{x}} xy^2 dydx.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate setup for the integrals, with some suggesting specific methods while others challenge those methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of correctly identifying the limits of integration and the implications of having variables in those limits, which may affect the integration order.

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Can you verify this please?

Find the volume of the region whose base in the first quadrant of the x-y plane is bounded by [itex]y = x^4[/itex] and [itex]y = \sqrt[4]{x}[/itex], and which is bounded from above by [itex]z = xy^3[/itex]

I know it is possible to do it like so:

[itex]\left[\int_{x=0}^{1}\int_{y=0}^{\sqrt[4]{x}}xy^3 dxdy\right] - \left[\int_{x=0}^{1}\int_{y=0}^{x^4}xy^3 dxdy\right][/itex]


but can I do it such: [itex]\int_{x=y^4}^{\sqrt[4]{y}}\int_{y=x^4}^{\sqrt[4]{x}}xy^3 dxdy[/itex]

I arrive at the problem of subbing in the limits. I'm not sure if they're correct but by the looks of it to me, the limits of both integrals are dependent on the other variable so I don't know which one to do first?

thanks for your help, b.
 
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benabean said:
but can I do it such: [itex]\int_{x=y^4}^{\sqrt[4]{y}}\int_{y=x^4}^{\sqrt[4]{x}}xy^3 dxdy[/itex]

I arrive at the problem of subbing in the limits. I'm not sure if they're correct but by the looks of it to me, the limits of both integrals are dependent on the other variable so I don't know which one to do first?

That's your clue that you can't do the integral that way. You can't integrate over y and still have a y in the limits of the x integral, since y should have been integrated out.
 
Since the result must be a number the limits of integration of the "outer integral" must be numbers, not functions of some other variable. Once you have done the "dy" integral, there is no longer any "y" in the problem.

You could, of course, do it as
[tex]\int_{x=0}^1\int_{y= x^4}^{^4\sqrt{x}} xy^2 dydx[/tex]
 
Thanks guys, your help is much appreciated.
 

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