Calculating Volume Using Buoyancy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a wooden sphere using buoyancy principles and weight measurements of both the wooden and metal spheres. Participants are exploring how to derive volume without directly measuring fluid displacement, which is a key constraint of the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to relate weight measurements to volume through buoyancy principles, questioning how to isolate the effects of each sphere on the overall measurements. Some are considering the implications of using apparent weight in water versus weight in air.

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There are various lines of reasoning being explored, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between weight, mass, and volume, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method to isolate the volume of the wooden sphere.

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Participants note that they are restricted from measuring fluid displacement directly, which complicates their calculations. There is also uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of weight values in relation to the buoyancy equations being used.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



Vsphere= pi/6(d^3)
W = mg

The Attempt at a Solution



Wc + Wo' = 0.650 N
Wc' + Wo' = 0.550 N

I'm unsure of how to do this because it asks to find the volume ONLY BY USING THE two weight measurements. The simpler way to do it would be to measure how much fluid is displaced but that's not allowed apparently so I'm stuck.
 
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So the volume and mass of the metal sphere are unknown?
 
I'm supposed to find the volume of the wooden sphere using only the measurements for Wc'+Wo' and Wc+Wo'. I think that what I have to do is find the amount of volume displaced by the wooden and metal spheres in water and subtract it by the volume of just the metal sphere in water.

I'm guessing to find the volume for the metal sphere, I'd need to see the apparent weight of the metal sphere in water (it's 0.650N), find the mass from that (m=W/g), use 1g/cm^3 for the density of water, and find the volume by V=m/D.

Then I'd do the same for the other one and subtract the two volumes.

But the thing is, I'm not sure about what weight value to use for finding the volume of just the metal sphere in Wc+Wo' because this would involve the weight of the cork sphere in the air plus the metal sphere in water and I just want the weight of the metal sphere in water.
 
Here's what I've done so far, I know it's wrong because the volume of the cork should be more than the volume of the metal sphere:

In order to find the volume of the cork, the volume of fluid displaced by the metal sphere in water must be found. This amount can be found by using Wc + Wo’.

Wc’ + Wo’ = (0.650 ± 0.010 N)/9.81 m/s² = 0.0662 kg = 66.26 ± 0.10 g
pwater = 1 g/cm³
The volume of the metal sphere will equal the amount of water displaced which is equivalent to mass of water displaced divided by the density of water:
Vcork+sphere = 66.26 g/1g/cm³ = 66.26 ± 0.10 cm³

A similar procedure must be used to find the volume of water displaced by the cork and the metal sphere:

Wc + Wo’ = (0.550 ± 0.010 N)/9.81 m/s² = 0.056 kg = 56.07 ± 0.10 g
pwater = 1 g/cm³
The volume of the metal sphere will equal the amount of water displaced which is equivalent to mass of water displaced divided by the density of water:
Vsphere = 56.07 g/1g/cm³ = 56.07 ± 0.10 cm³

To find the volume of the cork, the value for Vsphere must be subtracted from Vcork+sphere.

Vcork = 66.26 ± 0.10 cm³ - 56.07 ± 0.10 cm³ = 10.19 ± 0.10 cm³
 
BayernBlues said:
Here's what I've done so far, I know it's wrong because the volume of the cork should be more than the volume of the metal sphere:

In order to find the volume of the cork, the volume of fluid displaced by the metal sphere in water must be found. This amount can be found by using Wc + Wo’.

Wc’ + Wo’ = (0.650 ± 0.010 N)/9.81 m/s² = 0.0662 kg = 66.26 ± 0.10 g
pwater = 1 g/cm³

yeah, don't think that's right. That measurement isn't the weight of the displaced water...

I believe the equations should be:

m1*9.8 + m2*9.8 - (v1 + v2)1000*9.8 = 0.550N

m1*9.8 + m2*9.8 - v2*1000*9.8 = 0.650N

where m1 is the mass of the cork, and m2 is the mass of the metal sphere. v1 is the volume of the cork... v2 is the volume of the metal sphere...

you can solve for v1 here using these two equations... but I don't see how to get m1...
 
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