Calculating Weight of an Astronaut in Orbit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the weight of an astronaut in orbit, specifically focusing on gravitational forces and the work done to place a satellite into orbit. The context includes concepts from gravitational physics and orbital mechanics.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the weight of an astronaut using gravitational force equations and questions whether to consider only the astronaut's mass or include the satellite's mass. Other participants suggest focusing solely on the astronaut's mass and mention the relevance of centrifugal force.
  • Another participant raises a question about the work done to place the satellite into orbit, considering the initial conditions and the application of the work-energy theorem, while expressing uncertainty about their calculations.
  • Further discussion includes considerations of the Earth's rotation and its impact on the calculations, as well as the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in the context of orbital mechanics.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mass to consider for the astronaut's weight, and there is an ongoing examination of the work-energy relationship in the context of the satellite's launch. Multiple perspectives on the calculations and assumptions are being discussed.

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Participants note the importance of considering the Earth's rotation and the differences in gravitational force at various distances from the planet. There is also mention of ignoring friction in the calculations.

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A 619 kg satellite is in circular orbit 7.84x106 m above the surface of the Earth. Find:

a) the acceleration due to gravity created by the Earth at the distance of the satellite.
correct check mark m/s2

b) the weight of a 70.4 kg astronaut inside the satellite.

Equations:
Fg = G M Earth M / r[tex]^{2}[/tex]


Part A is solved. However, part b is simple enough but i seem to be having trouble with it.

My initial attempt was to use the first part of the answer and use Newton's formula F = ma.

However, my next attempt is to use:

Fg = G M(earth) M(astronaut) / r[tex]^{2}[/tex]

However, one thing gives me trouble. Should the astronaut's mass be used or should the astronaut and the satellite. If I'm off track I would appreciate someone's help. Thanks.
 
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greyradio said:
However, one thing gives me trouble. Should the astronaut's mass be used or should the astronaut and the satellite.

You don't need the weight of the satellite so you should use the astronaut's mass.

There is also the centrifugal force on the astronaut but you probably don't need it.
 
The "weight" of the astronaut is simply the gravitational force on him at that height.
 
I have another question relating to this problem

1.the work that was done to put the satellite into this orbit. Assume that it starts at rest on the surface of the earth.

Friction is to be ignored.

I have the orbital speed. Could the work-energy theorem be used?

If so then it would be

W = 1/2 m(satellite) v(orbital)^2 - 1/2 m (0)
W = 1/2 m (satellite) v(orbital)^2

Ive tried using W = F change in distance
where the force is the gravitational force and the distance is the height above the Earth's surface but I got the answer wrong. Perhaps I'm missing something.
 
greyradio said:
Perhaps I'm missing something.
You've missed the fact that the Earth is rotating and that the potential energy on the ground and differs from that on orbit.
 
Right.

So I would use this formula:

[tex]\Delta[/tex] E = Ef - Ei

So I would get this:

Ef =

1/2 [tex]M_{satellite}[/tex] [tex]V_{orbital speed}[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex] - G[tex]M_{earth}M_{satellite}[/tex]/R

The radius would be the radius of the Earth plus the height above the surface

Ei = 1/2 [tex]M_{satellite}[/tex] [tex]V_{initial}[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex] - G[tex]M_{earth}M_{satellite}[/tex]/R

The radius would be the radius of the earth. And the initial velocity would be zero since the satellite is at rest.

Ef - Ei = 1/2 [tex]M_{satellite}[/tex] [tex]V_{orbital speed}[/tex][tex]^{2}[/tex] - G[tex]M_{earth}M_{satellite}[/tex]/R - (- G[tex]M_{earth}M_{satellite}[/tex]/R)
 
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The satellite is not at rest initially. The Earth is rotating.
 
Since the acceleration of the Earth's gravitational force differs at different radial distances from the planet, you need a certain amount of Kinetic Energy to get 7.84x106 m above the surface of the Earth. So the change in kinetic energy of the rocket is equal to negative the change in potential energy...and the work done by the rocket is equal to the change in kinetic energy.
 

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