Finding the astronaut's weight on a planet's surface

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The discussion revolves around calculating the weight of an astronaut on the surface of a planet, given the mass of a landing craft, its orbital period, and the planet's diameter. The problem is situated within the context of gravitational physics and circular motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the orbital period and the radius of the orbit, questioning the correct interpretation of the variables in the equations provided. There is an exploration of how to incorporate the mass of the landing craft and the radius of the planet into the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying the definitions of variables and the relationships between them. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the radius in the context of the orbital motion, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to solve for the mass or weight.

Contextual Notes

There are ongoing discussions about the assumptions regarding the distances involved, particularly the distinction between the radius of the planet and the altitude of the landing craft. Participants are also noting the importance of clarity in mathematical notation to avoid confusion.

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Homework Statement



A landing craft with mass 1.22×10^4 kg is in a circular orbit a distance 5.50×10^5 m above the surface of a planet. The period of the orbit is 5100 s . The astronauts in the lander measure the diameter of the planet to be 9.50×10^6 m . The lander sets down at the north pole of the planet.
What is the weight of an astronaut of mass 84.1 kg as he steps out onto the planet's surface?

Homework Equations


circular motion speed: v = √GM/r
g: GM/r2
T = 2πr/v

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve for the speed by using the period.
5100 = 2π(5.50*10^5)/v
v = 677.6 m/s
and using the circular motion speed equation, I tried to solve for M, where the radius i used is the radius of the planet:
677.6 = √6.67*10^-11*M/4.75*10^6
M = 3.27*10^22

and then i used GM/r^2 to solve for G.

6.67*10^-11*3.27*10^22/(4.75*10^6) and i got a really small g. I think I'm missing something. Especially because I haven't used the space satellite's mass.
 
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Vanessa Avila said:
A landing craft ... in a circular orbit a distance 5.50×10^5 m above the surface of a planet.
T = 2πr/v
5100 = 2π(5.50*10^5)/v
In the equation T = 2πr/v, what does r represent? What does the distance 5.50×10^5 m represent?
 
TSny said:
In the equation T = 2πr/v, what does r represent? What does the distance 5.50×10^5 m represent?
That distance represents how far the landcraft is hovering above the planet
 
Vanessa Avila said:
That distance represents how far the landcraft is hovering above the planet
That's what the number 5.50 x 105 m represents. But the r in 2πr/v is a different distance.
 
TSny said:
That's what the number 5.50 x 105 m represents. But the r in 2πr/v is a different distance.
so the r should be the radius of the planet instead of the distance the landing craft is from the planet?
 
Vanessa Avila said:
so the r should be the radius of the planet instead of the distance the landing craft is from the planet?
No. Think about where the formula T = 2πr/v comes from. The craft moves at constant speed while in orbit. For something moving at constant speed, distance = speed x time. Or, time = distance/speed. Apply this to one orbit of the craft so that the time is equal to the period T:

T = distance/v. Here, the distance is how far the craft travels in one circular orbit.
 
TSny said:
No. Think about where the formula T = 2πr/v comes from. The craft moves at constant speed while in orbit. For something moving at constant speed, distance = speed x time. Or, time = distance/speed. Apply this to one orbit of the craft so that the time is equal to the period T:

T = distance/v. Here, the distance is how far the craft travels in one circular orbit.
so would the r be the planet's radius + landing craft's distance?
 
Vanessa Avila said:
so would the r be the planet's radius + landing craft's distance?
Yes. r is the radius of the craft's orbit.
 
can i use > 5100s = 2π(r1+r2)/√GmM/(r1+r2) to solve for M ?
TSny said:
Yes. r is the radius of the craft's orbit.
 
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Vanessa Avila said:
can i use > 5100s = 2π(r1+r2)/√GmM/(r1+r2) to solve for M ?
Yes, except why does m appear on the right side?

Nit picky note: To avoid confusion with the square root symbol √, use parentheses to show what belongs inside the square root. If I write √ab, then it is not clear if both the a and the b are inside the square root. Most people would interpret √ab to mean that only the "a" is inside the square root. If you want to indicate that both a and b are inside, then you should write √(ab).
 

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