Calculating Work and Energy in a Skier Problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a skier coasting up a hill, focusing on the calculation of work done and energy transformations. The problem includes parameters such as mass, initial and final speeds, and the angle of the slope.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of work-energy principles, including the calculation of kinetic and potential energy. There is an exploration of the work done by friction and the interpretation of the formulas used.

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Some participants are questioning the correctness of their calculations and the formulas applied, while others are clarifying the definitions of kinetic and potential energy. There is a suggestion to consider an alternative formula for work that includes changes in both kinetic and potential energy.

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Participants note discrepancies in calculated values for potential energy and discuss the implications of using different formulas as directed by the teacher. There is a lack of consensus on the correct approach, with various interpretations being explored.

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A 65-kg skier coasts up a snow-covered hill that makes an angle of 25° with the horizontal. The initial speed of the skier is 6.4 m/s. After coasting 1.9 m up the slope, the skier has a speed of is 3.2 m/s.


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Work done if force F applied over a distance d.
W= Fd
Also
Ke= 0.5mV^2
Difference in Kinetic energy dKe
dKe=Ke1 - Ke2
dKe= 0.5m(V1^2 - V2^2)
dKe= W

a) W=dKe= 0.5m(V1^2 - V2^2)
W= 0.5x65(6.4^2 - 3.2^2)
W= 998.4 Joules

P=mgh
Pe= 65 x 9.81 x 1.9 sin(25)= 511.5 J

Wf= W- Pe= 998.4 - 511.5 = 486.9 J

what am i doing wrong?
 
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Hi triplel777! :smile:
triplel777 said:
A 65-kg skier coasts up a snow-covered hill that makes an angle of 25° with the horizontal. The initial speed of the skier is 6.4 m/s. After coasting 1.9 m up the slope, the skier has a speed of is 3.2 m/s.

I'm confused :confused:

what's the question? :wink:
 
(a) Find the work done by the kinetic frictional force that acts on the skis.

(b) What is the magnitude of the kinetic frictional force?
 
Hi triplel77! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box; and we usually write KE and PE with capitals, and joules without :wink:)
triplel777 said:
A 65-kg skier coasts up a snow-covered hill that makes an angle of 25° with the horizontal. The initial speed of the skier is 6.4 m/s. After coasting 1.9 m up the slope, the skier has a speed of is 3.2 m/s.

a) W=dKe= 0.5m(V1^2 - V2^2)
W= 0.5x65(6.4^2 - 3.2^2)
W= 998.4 Joules

P=mgh
Pe= 65 x 9.81 x 1.9 sin(25)= 511.5 J

Wf= W- Pe= 998.4 - 511.5 = 486.9 J

what am i doing wrong?

Apart from making PE = 512.0 J, I get the same work done by friction as you do. :redface:
 
huh... ok thanks
 
my teacher said to use this formula
Wnc= delta KE+ delta PE
would this make any difference?
 
delta PE is just your change in gravitational potential energy, delta KE is your change in kinetic energy. Does this formula seem different than the one you used?
 

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