Dynamics Skier on a Slope Problem

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The problem involves a skier descending a slope inclined at 4.7 degrees with an initial speed of 2.7 m/s, while considering the effects of kinetic friction with a coefficient of 0.11. The goal is to determine the distance the skier will slide before coming to rest.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of equations related to net forces acting on the skier, questioning the definitions and roles of various forces, including the applied force and normal force. There is exploration of the relationship between acceleration and the forces involved.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the forces at play and the nature of the applied force. There is ongoing exploration of the equations, with participants questioning assumptions and the treatment of variables, particularly regarding the cancellation of mass in equations.

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Participants note the presence of multiple unknowns in their equations, leading to discussions about the implications of these unknowns on the problem-solving process. There is also a correction of earlier equations and a focus on the net forces acting on the skier.

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Homework Statement


A skier on a slope inclined at 4.7 degrees to the horizontal pushes on ski poles and starts down the slope. The initial speed is 2.7 m/s. The coefficient of kinetic friction between skis and snow is 0.11. Determine how far the skier will slide before coming to rest.

Answer on the book: 13m

Homework Equations


Fnetx = (-Ff) + Fa + (-Fgx)
Fnety = Fn + (-Fgy)v2^2 = v1^2 + 2ad

The Attempt at a Solution


I went by creating two equations:

Fnetx = (-Ff) + Fa + (-Fgx)
ma = -Fn(u) + Fa + mg(sin4.7)
m was canceled out on both sides.
Fn(u) = Fa + g(sin4.7) - a
(1) Fn = Fa + g(sin4.7) - a / u

Fnety = Fn + (-Fgy)
ma = Fn + (m)(-g)(cos4.7)
again canceled out m on both sides
(2) Fn = a + gcos4.7

Correction: Equation 2 is Fn = gcos4.7

And so I did substitution and subbed in both equations to solve for acceleration (a) but the problem is that Fa is also unknown:

(9.8)cos4.7 = Fa + (9.8)(sin4.7) - a / 0.11

So I'm wondering if there is a better way to do this problem, because I feel like I'm doing to wrong.

I included a fbd diagram:
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In your equation (2), what acceleration does a represent? Acceleration into the snow?
 
haruspex said:
In your equation (2), what acceleration does a represent? Acceleration into the snow?

Looking back at equation 2, I feel like the net force on the y-axis is 0. Because from my understanding, the skier is only moving on the x-axis being on the incline, where the forces on the y-axis are cancelling each other out.
Correction of equation 2: Fn = gcos4.7
But even then that still leaves two unknowns, both Fa and a.
 
IbrahimA said:
But even then that still leaves two unknowns, both Fa and a.
And what applied force does Fa represent?
 
haruspex said:
And what applied force does Fa represent?

Fa is the applied force that the skier is pushing on the ski poles thus moving up the incline.
 
IbrahimA said:
Fa is the applied force that the skier is pushing on the ski poles thus moving up the incline.
The skier is moving down the incline and only uses the poles to get going. Having reached 2.7m/s, the poles are no longer used, and the skier slides to a stop.
 
haruspex said:
The skier is moving down the incline and only uses the poles to get going. Having reached 2.7m/s, the poles are no longer used, and the skier slides to a stop.

I have redone my equations, with:
Equation 1 : Fn = a + gsin4.7 / u
Equation 2 : Fn = mgcos4.7

But again same situation, there are still two unknowns being m and a, since I can't cancel out m on the y-axis as shown below:
Fnety = Fn + (-Fgy)
0 = Fn + (m)(-g)(cos47)
Fn = mgcos4.7
 
haruspex said:
The skier is moving down the incline and only uses the poles to get going. Having reached 2.7m/s, the poles are no longer used, and the skier slides to a stop.

Algebra Question
In the equation as shown below:
(m)(a) = (u)(g)(m)(cos4.7) + (m)(-g)(sin4.7)
Can I cancel out all the m's on both sides and result into this?:
a = (u)(g)(cos4.7)+(-g)(sin4.7)
Or is that not possible?
 
IbrahimA said:
Algebra Question
In the equation as shown below:
(m)(a) = (u)(g)(m)(cos4.7) + (m)(-g)(sin4.7)
Can I cancel out all the m's on both sides and result into this?:
a = (u)(g)(cos4.7)+(-g)(sin4.7)
Or is that not possible?
Of course you can cancel the m's. All you need to assume is that m is not zero, and you can safely do that.
 
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haruspex said:
Of course you can cancel the m's. All you need to assume is that m is not zero, and you can safely do that.

Oh okay, now it makes sense. Thank you.
 

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