Calculation of probabilities in QM

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of probabilities in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the simultaneous measurements of position and momentum for a spinless particle. Participants explore the mathematical expressions involved and seek simplifications in the context of wave functions and projections.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a complex integral expression for the probability of simultaneous measurements of position and momentum, asking for validation and potential simplifications.
  • Several participants affirm the correctness of the initial result but suggest that there may be simpler approaches to the problem.
  • Another participant proposes that the problem could be simplified by focusing on the position-space wave function and performing a Fourier transform only on the z-coordinate.
  • Further suggestions include expressing the wave functions in a single representation to reduce complexity, particularly for free particles.
  • A participant expresses concern that simplifying the expressions for the wave functions might complicate the final result, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the suggestions made.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the transformation of variables and the representation of wave functions in terms of position and momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the initial mathematical result, but there are multiple competing views on the best approach to simplify the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective method to express the probability in terms of the wave function.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of transforming between different representations and the potential complications that may arise from these transformations. There is also a lack of consensus on the best approach to achieve a simpler expression.

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I posted this question in the homework page but I got no answers, so will try here.
Given the wave function of a (spinless) particle I need to expres in terms of [itex]\psi(\vec{r})[/itex] the probability for simultaneous measurements of X y P_z to yield :

[tex]x_1 \leq x \leq x_2[/tex]
[tex]p_z \geq 0[/tex]

I got the result:
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dz\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dy\int_{x_1}^{x_2}dx \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dp_x\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dp_y\int_0^{\infty}dp_z <\vec{p}|\vec{r}>\psi(\vec{r})<\psi|\vec{p}>[/tex]

To get this I evaluated the expression [itex]<\psi|P_2P_1|\psi>[/itex] where P_1 and P_2 are the proyectors:
[tex]P_1=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dz\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dy\int_{x_1}^{x_2}dx|x,y,z><x,y,z|[/tex]
[tex]P_2=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dp_x\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dp_y\int_0^{\infty}dp_z|p_x,p_y,p_z><p_x,p_y,p_z|[/tex]

I need to know two things: 1) is my result correct? 2) in case it is correct, is there any other more simple or concrete answer?
 
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1) Yes.
2) Yes.
 
Avodyne said:
1) Yes.
2) Yes.

Thank you Avodyne, could you be so kind as to explain a little how to get an easier or more concrete answer?
 
Well, notice that if it wasn't for the pz question, you could do everything with the position-space wave function. So you really only need to Fourier transform on z. Your version has a lot of extra Fourier-transforming and untransforming in x and y.
 
You can go further by writing <p|r> and <Psi|p> in a function form like you did with <x|Psi>. Generally, you want to put things in a single representation, like the position space, so you might ask yourself how far you can go to do that.

If you have a free particle, e.g., then Psi(r)=Psi_x Psi_y Psi_z, and similarly for the momentum space wavefunction. Can you see how doing the above steps would make things much more simplified?
 
Thank you both. I think what javier says is simple to write explictly the expresions for <p|r> and <psi|p>
in space representation but that would only complicate even more the final expression(sorry if I misunderstood you)
So will try Avodyne's approach and I will very much appretiate any comments on this :
Since we need to express the final result in terms of [itex]\psi(\vec{r})[/itex] only, we will change momentarily from X,Y,Z to the C.S.C.O X,Y,P_z. The desired probability is [itex]<\psi|P_n|\psi>[/itex]

where
[tex]P_n=\int_{-\infty}^\infty dy\int_{x_1}^{x_2}dx\int_0^\infty dp_z |x,y,p_z><x,y,p_z|[/tex]
[tex]<\psi|P_n|\psi>=\int_{-\infty}^\infty dy \int_{x_1}^{x_2}dx \int_0^\infty dp_z |<x,y,p_z|\psi>|^2[/tex]
where
[tex]<x,y,p_z|\psi>=\int<x,y,p_z|\vec{r'}><\vec{r'}|\psi>d^3r'=\int<x,y,p_z|x',y',z'><x',y',z'|\psi>d^3r'[/tex]
[tex]=\int\delta(x-x')\delta(y-y')<p_z|z'>\psi(\vec{r'})d^3r'=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi\hbar}}\int_{-\infty}^\infty dz' \psi(x,y,z')e^{-ip_z z'/\hbar}[/tex]
is this what you meant Avodyne?
 
Yep!
 
Thank you Avodyne! I really appreate your help because a have no other means to deal with this matters.
 

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