Calculation of Universal Constants for Life-Sustaining Universe

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The discussion revolves around the calculations involved in determining the acceptable ranges of universal constants that allow for a life-sustaining universe. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and methodologies used to arrive at these calculations, particularly in relation to the expansion rate of the universe and other fundamental constants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for a clear explanation of how calculations are performed to establish the ranges of universal constants necessary for life, specifically mentioning the expansion rate of the universe.
  • Another participant suggests that the properties of certain elements and compounds, such as the freezing point of water, may also influence the conditions for life.
  • A third participant questions the validity of a specific figure ("10^55") mentioned by the original poster, asking for its source and expressing skepticism about the ability to provide assistance without it.
  • A different participant raises concerns about the units of the expansion rate and discusses the importance of relative error in such calculations, referencing a paper that provides a value for the cosmological constant that could allow for a larger range than previously suggested.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific calculations or sources of information regarding universal constants. There is a mix of inquiries, skepticism, and suggestions, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

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Limitations include the lack of clear sources for specific figures mentioned, the complexity of the calculations involved, and the dependence on definitions of terms like "expansion rate" and "cosmological constant." The discussion does not resolve these issues.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe

[The fine-tuned Universe is the proposition that the conditions that allow life in the Universe can only occur when certain universal fundamental physical constants lie within a very narrow range, so that if any of several fundamental constants were only slightly different, the Universe would be unlikely to be conducive to the establishment and development of matter, astronomical structures, elemental diversity, or life as it is presently understood] - Wikipedia

Question = I don't actually know how the calculations are performed that determine what the acceptable ranges are for the various universal constants to allow the creation of life. I'm not interested in anything other than this. I don't want your opinion on the matter, I just want a simple well educated answer on how they perform the calculations. If you don't know how please don't even comment. I'm well educated on everything that goes into the debate, all I need to know now is how they get these calculations.

Ex: expansion rate of the universe. Physics say if it was change 1:10^55 life wouldn't be possible. Meaning if the expansion rate of the universe was change 1 in 10(55 zeros) no galaxies would form or they would collapse.

if larger: no galaxies would form
if smaller: universe would collapse, even before stars formed

I've asked my physics teachers at school and they didn't know much about it, also some of my math teachers. I really want someone that understands a lot about this to comment on here and explain how they 'know' if certain constants were off life (as we know it) would be impossible? What do they use to measure how much it could be off.

Again please don't show bias or opinion. Just looking for how they calculate this, nothing else.
 
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I think what they mean is the properties of certain elements and compounds.

Example: if water froze at -5 °C, would life be different or not exist?

If the inverse square property didn't apply to mass and volume, would life exist as we know it?
 
Haven't you asked the same question twice already ?


You are quoting a figure ("10^55"), without a source, and asking for its source. How is it possible for someone to help you with that?
 
Where did you get the expensian rate? what are the units?
I can't find this number in the referenced wikipedia page.

The absolute error in such a small number would have to be very small, but it's the relative error that's meaningful. I've found this paper

The value of the cosmological constant

http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.3105

which may be well-educated, but isn't very simple.

they give a value of 1.7*10^{-121}, with 1*10^{-120}

(in Planck units)

as the value of the cosmolical constant which would make the universe expand too fast for galaxies to form. That means that the cosmological constant could still be a factor of 6 bigger.
 
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