Calculus of variations with circular boundary conditions

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The discussion centers on the application of the calculus of variations with a focus on circular boundary conditions. Participants explore the implications of periodicity in the context of the Euler-Lagrange equations and the necessary transversality conditions when the endpoints of a function are equal but free to vary.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the need for transversality conditions when the values at the two boundaries are equal and free to vary, specifically in the context of mapping a circle onto the real numbers.
  • Another participant presents a mathematical formulation of the action integral and notes that if the function and perturbation are periodic, the boundary term vanishes.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous mathematical formulation but raises concerns about the assumption of periodicity, suggesting that it should be imposed as a constraint during optimization.
  • Some participants argue that requiring the function to satisfy f(0) = f(a) implies periodicity, while others question the validity of assuming periodicity without explicit constraints in the Euler-Lagrange equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of periodicity in the context of the calculus of variations. There is no consensus on whether periodicity should be assumed or imposed as a constraint.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations regarding assumptions about periodicity and its implications for the solutions of the Euler-Lagrange equations. The dependence of the Lagrangian on the variable x is also noted as a factor that complicates the analysis.

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The Euler-Lagrange equations give a necessary condition for the action be extremal given some lagrangian which depends on some function to be varied over. The basic form assumes fixed endpoints for the function to be varied over, but we can extend to cases in which one or both endpoints are free to vary by introducing additional transversality conditions. I would like to know what the transversality condition(s) would be in the case that the values at the two boundaries are equal, but otherwise free to vary. The reason for this is that I want to consider functions which map the circle onto the real numbers, and use the calculus of variations approach to maximise an action based on a lagrangian of this function.

Thanks!
 
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If you have <br /> I[y] = \int_0^a F(y,y&#039;)\,dx then <br /> I[y + \eta] - I[y] = \int_0^a \eta \left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y} - \frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}\right)\right)\,dx + \left[ \eta \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;} \right]_0^a. Now if y, y&#039; and the perturbation \eta are all periodic with period a then so is \eta \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}, and the boundary term vanishes.
 
pasmith said:
If you have <br /> I[y] = \int_0^a F(y,y&#039;)\,dx then <br /> I[y + \eta] - I[y] = \int_0^a \eta \left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y} - \frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}\right)\right)\,dx + \left[ \eta \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;} \right]_0^a. Now if y, y&#039; and the perturbation \eta are all periodic with period a then so is \eta \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}, and the boundary term vanishes.

Thanks, that was really helpful. However, my lagrangian F depends also explicitly on x. I guess if the dependence of F on x is also periodic with period a then the result should still hold.

Edit: it seems to me that the assumption of periodicity is suspect here. Unless we impose this as a constraint when performing the optimisation then there is no reason it should hold. Imposing the periodicity constraint is basically what I was trying to achieve by including these boundary conditions.
 
Requiring that f : [0,a] \to \mathbb{R} satisfies f(0) = f(a) is equivalent to requiring that g : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} is periodic with period a - and it is natural that if y is periodic then only periodic perturbations need to be considered.
 
pasmith said:
Requiring that f : [0,a] \to \mathbb{R} satisfies f(0) = f(a) is equivalent to requiring that g : \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} is periodic with period a - and it is natural that if y is periodic then only periodic perturbations need to be considered.

Ok, buy y is a function that we obtain by solving the relevant Euler-Lagrange equations, and we have not included any periodicity constraint in there, so we have no reason to believe that the function y that we obtain should be periodic.
 

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