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This discussion revolves around a specific problem from the Calculus AB AP test, focusing on function composition, derivatives, and the application of the Mean Value Theorem. Participants explore various parts of the problem, including the continuity of functions, the calculation of derivatives, and the interpretation of tangent lines for inverse functions.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty with a problem involving function composition and seeks help, noting a lack of familiarity with the concept.
  • Another participant provides an explanation for part b, using the Mean Value Theorem to argue that there must be a value in (1,3) where the derivative equals the average rate of change.
  • A different participant corrects the previous explanation for part c, emphasizing the need to apply the chain rule when differentiating composite functions.
  • One participant discusses the derivative of a composite function and suggests that continuity of h' can be inferred from the continuity of f and g.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that h' is continuous, prompting a request for proof of this continuity.
  • One participant asserts that differentiability implies continuity of the derivative, while another disputes this claim by providing a counterexample.
  • A professional mathematician comments on the complexity of the problem and the nature of standardized tests, suggesting that they often prioritize tricky questions over deeper understanding.

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Participants express differing views on the continuity of h' and the implications of differentiability. There is no consensus on the continuity of h' or the validity of the counterexample presented.

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Participants reference the Mean Value Theorem and the chain rule, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the continuity of h' and the conditions under which the derivative of a function is continuous.

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I took the Calculus AB AP test, and there were a total of 6 open-ended problems. Most of them I knew exactly how to do, but there was one in particular that gave me some real problems. We haven't done much on function composition, so maybe that's why I couldn't do it (but I have the feeling that I'm just overlooking something).

This table is given:
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x       f(x)       f'(x)      g(x)       g'(x)

1        6          4          2            5

2        9          2          3            1

3        10        -4          4            2
       
4        -1         3          6            7

The functions f and g are differentiable for all real numbers, and g is strictly increasing. The table above gives the values of the functions and their first derivatives at selected values of x. The function h is given by h(x) = f(g(x)) - 6.


a) Explain why there must be a value r for 1 < r < 3 such that h(r) = -5

b) Explain why there must be a value c for 1 < c < 3 such that h'(c) = -5

c) Let w be the function given by w(x) = integral of f(t)dt from 1 to g(x). Find the value of w'(3).

d) If g^-1 is the inverse function of g, write an equation for the line tangent to the graph of y = g^-1(x) at x=2



So far, all I've established is that f and g are continuous, g'(x) will always be positive, and g(x) will always be less than g(x+1). Everything I know is just the obvious, I don't know where to go next! Can someone please give me the solution so I can quit worrying about this stupid problem?

Thanks for any help!
 
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i agree with nate on most of the parts, but

the explanation i used for b is as follows, and i think this is the explanation the graders are looking for.

the average rate of change of h on (1,3) is -5. h(3) = -7, h(1) = 3
-7-3/2 = -5
Therefore, by the mean value theorem, there must be some value in (1,3) whose derivative is -5 because there has to be a value where the derivative is equal to the avg rate of change.

for c, nate forgot the chain rule. w'(x) is actually f(g(x)) * g'(x). You got to do the chain rule when endpoints are functions. So w'(3) is f(g(3)) * g'(3)

for d, u must remember the equality that the derivative of the inverse of the y value is equal to 1/(derivative at x)

so, it asks for the tangent line of the inverse of g when the function is at 2. Remembr with inverse, the ordered pairs are switched. So in the original function, it's the y value that is 2. So the ordered pair you will use is (2,1). So, the derivative is 1/(g'(1)) = 1/5
so the slope of the tangent line is y-1 = 1/5 (x-2)
 
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Thank you for the explanation. I feel kind of dumb for not knowing how to do this on the test. I made it seem much harder than it really was (I wasn't even able to get part of it).
 
nate808 said:
part b) the derivative for a composite is defined as such if h(x)=f(g(x)), then h'(x)=f'(g(x))g'(x). (BTW the 6 cancels b/c it is a constant) As stated previoulsy, the g(x) values will be between 2-4, so now we must look at the f'(x) values on that interval. By plugging in values, you see that h'(2)=2 and h'(3)=-8. Because of continuity, it must =-5 on that interval.
You appear to be using the intermediate value theorem on h'. How do you know that h' is continuous?
 
phoenixthoth said:
You appear to be using the intermediate value theorem on h'. How do you know that h' is continuous?

That's a good point! Can someone please prove that h'(r) is continuous?

Also, if anyone is interested, I found this site: http://users.adelphia.net/~sismondo/AB073.html (link to this problem)

http://users.adelphia.net/~sismondo/ (link to homepage)
 
if a function is differentiable on a given interval, that means it's derivative is continuous on that interval.
 
pakmingki said:
if a function is differentiable on a given interval, that means it's derivative is continuous on that interval.
Not true. For example:
f\left( x\right) =\left\{ <br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 0, &amp; x=0 \\ <br /> x^{2}\sin \left( 1/x\right) , &amp; x\neq 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right.
 
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anyody can ask a question so it is hard to understand. I am a professional mathematician, and that **** table of values is so eye boggling i cannot even bring myself to read it. don't feel bad. these are just stupid standardized tests. In real life, the point is not to answer tricky questions, but to ponder hard ones.
 

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