Can a be proven to be greater than or equal to c from given inequalities?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether it can be proven that ##a \geq c## given the inequalities ##a \geq b## and ##b \geq c##. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques related to inequalities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that from the inequalities ##a \geq b## and ##b \geq c##, it follows that ##a \geq c##, using the reasoning that ##a - b \geq 0## and ##b - c \geq 0## leads to ##a - c \geq 0##.
  • Others challenge this reasoning, suggesting that simply restating the inequalities does not constitute a proof and questioning how the transitions between inequalities are justified.
  • There is a concern raised about the assumption of transitivity in the argument, with some participants indicating that this assumption needs to be proven rather than taken for granted.
  • One participant acknowledges that their proof is incomplete and emphasizes the need to justify assertions using definitions and axioms.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the proof presented. There is no consensus on whether the reasoning provided is sufficient to establish the claim.

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Participants note the importance of definitions and axioms in proving the statements made, indicating that the proof may depend on the specific mathematical framework being used.

mikeyBoy83
Given ##a,b\inℝ## with ##a≥b## and ##b≥c##, I wish to show that ##a≥c##. For that we have ##a-b≥0## and ##b-c≥0##. Therefore, ##a-b+b-c≥0## and so ##a-c≥0##. Hence, ##a≥c##. Q.E.D.

Correct me if I am wrong, but this works unless I should use different cases because of equality and inequality. What do you think?
 
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mikeyBoy83 said:
Given ##a,b\inℝ## with ##a≥b## and ##b≥c##, I wish to show that ##a≥c##. For that we have ##a-b≥0## and ##b-c≥0##. Therefore, ##a-b+b-c≥0## and so ##a-c≥0##. Hence, ##a≥c##. Q.E.D.

Correct me if I am wrong, but this works unless I should use different cases because of equality and inequality. What do you think?
Looks good to me. Even simpler, this can be written as a≥b≥c, and automatically, a≥c.
 
Comeback City said:
Even simpler, this can be written as a≥b≥c, and automatically, a≥c.

How does this prove anything. You just restate the result which needs to be proven.
 
How do you get from ##a \geq b## to ##a-b \geq 0## and from (##a-b \geq 0## and ##b-c \geq 0##) to ##a-b +b-c \geq 0##?

At that level, you have to do everything with the definitions and axioms.
 
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micromass said:
How does this prove anything. You just restate the result which needs to be proven.
It shows that if a is greater than/equal to b, then it must be greater than/equal to whatever b is greater than/equal to: in this case, c.
 
Comeback City said:
It shows that if a is greater than/equal to b, then it must be greater than/equal to whatever b is greater than/equal to: in this case, c.

You're assuming what requires to be shown: transitivity.
 
micromass said:
You're assuming what requires to be shown: transitivity.
That being said, how would you prove it?
 
Comeback City said:
That being said, how would you prove it?

Depends on the definition and the axioms given to me.
 
My proof as written is incomplete. In the final proof I'd be sure to justify my assertions using definitions and axioms.
 

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