Can a change in units cancel out G/4π2 in Kepler's third law?

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The discussion revolves around Kepler's third law and the implications of unit changes in the context of gravitational interactions between two bodies. Participants are exploring how the law can simplify under specific unit systems, particularly when using years, solar masses, and astronomical units.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning how the constants G and 4π² can be canceled out when using certain units. There are suggestions to test the simplifications by substituting different units into the formula. Additionally, there is a discussion about applying the formula to specific cases, such as Earth's orbit, to observe the outcomes.

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Some participants have provided guidance on testing the formula with specific examples, while others are exploring the implications of unit conversions in astrophysics problems. There is an ongoing inquiry into the relationship between parallax, separation, and astronomical units, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and relationships between units such as parsecs, arcseconds, and astronomical units, particularly in the context of binary star systems and their orbital dynamics. There is mention of a specific problem involving star masses and orbital periods, which adds complexity to the discussion.

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For two two bodies of mass M1 and M2 in circular orbits of radius a1, a2 about their common centre of mass, the Newtonian modification of Kepler's third law is
a3/P2=G(M1+M2)/4π2.
Where a=a1+a2.

The problem is that I have been told that when using the units of years, solar masses and astronomical units, this reduces to
a3/P2=M1+M2.
I'm not sure how to show this is true, and find it quite strange that such a unit change could manage to perfectly cancel out G/4π2. The internet and textbooks don't seem to be very helpful about this so I was hoping somebody could point me in the right way, thanks!
 
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Well, these types of problems don't solve themselves. Have you tried plugging in the different units to see if you obtain the supposed simplification?
 
Try applying your formula for the Earth's orbit and you will understand that miraculous cancelation
 
dauto said:
Try applying your formula for the Earth's orbit and you will understand that miraculous cancelation

Oh wow, so simple (and slightly obvious). Thanks!

As it happens I'm having more astrophysics unit problems which I was hoping somebody could help with, which appear in the following problem:
Two stars in a binary system have a separation of s=3'' and a trigonometric parallax of p=0.1''. They have a orbital period of 30 years and the secondary star is five times further from the centre of mass than the primary star. Find the star masses for an inclination of zero degrees (face on orbit).

m1r1=m2r2 gives m1=5m2.
The distance to the system in parsecs is one over the parallax i.e 1/p=10. The solution then states that the separation in AU a=s/p=30, which I don't understand.
Kepler's third law then gives the solution.

1/p is in parsecs and then s is in arcseconds, so a has units arcseconds per parsec. I can't see how that can be AU...
 
physiks said:
Oh wow, so simple (and slightly obvious). Thanks!

As it happens I'm having more astrophysics unit problems which I was hoping somebody could help with, which appear in the following problem:
Two stars in a binary system have a separation of s=3'' and a trigonometric parallax of p=0.1''. They have a orbital period of 30 years and the secondary star is five times further from the centre of mass than the primary star. Find the star masses for an inclination of zero degrees (face on orbit).

m1r1=m2r2 gives m1=5m2.
The distance to the system in parsecs is one over the parallax i.e 1/p=10. The solution then states that the separation in AU a=s/p=30, which I don't understand.
Kepler's third law then gives the solution.

1/p is in parsecs and then s is in arcseconds, so a has units arcseconds per parsec. I can't see how that can be AU...

You need to refresh yourself on the definition of the parsec unit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec
 
SteamKing said:
You need to refresh yourself on the definition of the parsec unit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec

Defined as the parallax of one arcsecond? There doesn't seem to be anything there that relates it to astronomical units as there seems to be above...

Edit: Parallax of one arcsecond when the baseline is 1AU! That might help, I'll get back to you if I still have any issues, thanks!
 

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