Atwood's Machine, massive pulley and upwards force acting upon it.

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The discussion focuses on solving an Atwood's Machine problem involving two masses (m1, m2) and a massive pulley (mp) with an upward force (F) acting on it. The participant derived equations based on Newton's Second Law to find the tension (T) and accelerations (a1, a2) of the system. The analysis includes free-body diagrams for each mass and the pulley, emphasizing the need to relate tensions to the torques on the pulley. The assumption of concentrating the pulley's mass at its center is valid only if the pulley remains non-rotational during operation.

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Homework Statement


The usual configuration of an Atwood's Machine.
Two masses: m1, m2
Accelerations (unknown): a1, a2, ap (Pulley)
Rope Tension: T (Unknown)
BUT:
Massive pulley: mp
Upwards force acting on pulley (i.e the pulley is not in equilibrium): F

NOTE: Consider that all the pulley's mass in concentrated at the center of the pulley, so as not to consider the moment of inertia. (Is this ok?)

Question: Find the tension T, and the accelerations a1, a2.

Homework Equations


Newton's Second Law


The Attempt at a Solution


So this is what I tried:
Analyzing the pulley.
F - 2T - mp . g = mp . ap.........(I)

Analyzing the whole System as a unit:
F - (mp + m1 + m2) . g = (mp + m1 + m2) . ap....(II)

Analyzing m1:
T - m1 . g = m1 . a1..........(III)

From (II) I derived ap in terms of known constants, then I replaced ap (in terms of the constants) in (I) and I found T in terms of known constants. Finally I replaced the equation for T in (III).


So this is what I've got. Did I miss anything? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks-
 
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Consider that all the pulley's mass in concentrated at the center of the pulley, so as not to consider the moment of inertia. (Is this ok?)
That is only OK if the operation of the machine means that the pulley does not rotate.

The approach you want is to draw three free-body diagrams, one for each mass and another for the pulley. You need to relate the tensions to the torques on the pulley.
 

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