Can a classical model for electron satisfy requirements of quantum mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of developing a classical model for the electron that aligns with the principles of quantum mechanics, special relativity, and electrodynamics. Participants explore various perspectives on classical approaches to understanding the electron and the implications of these models in light of modern physics theories.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference two articles by Nitin Ramchandra Gadre that propose a classical model for the electron, suggesting that it may provide insights into the phenomenon from a classical perspective.
  • One participant challenges the characterization of special relativity and electrodynamics as "modern" theories, indicating a differing view on the classification of these frameworks.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the coherence and validity of the articles, suggesting that they may not meet publication standards without the financial backing of the journal.
  • One participant clarifies their intent to present a classical viewpoint for discussion, indicating a willingness to accept criticism without further engagement in the debate.
  • Another participant discusses the availability of literature both supporting and opposing classical approaches, citing specific papers that highlight issues related to the classical electron model, such as Lorentz invariance and the nature of the electron as a point particle.
  • There is mention of various interpretations of quantum mechanics, with one participant expressing interest in understanding these interpretations without engaging in debate, seeking recommendations for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion features multiple competing views, with no consensus reached on the validity or coherence of the classical models proposed for the electron. Participants express differing opinions on the classification of theories and the quality of the referenced articles.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the classical approach, such as unresolved issues related to Lorentz invariance and the nature of the electron, as well as the dependence on definitions of modern theories. There is also a noted lack of experimental evidence supporting substructure in electrons, which complicates the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersections of classical and quantum physics, particularly in the context of electron models, as well as individuals seeking to understand the ongoing debates surrounding the interpretation of quantum mechanics.

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I recently saw two connected articles in AIP Advances. The attempt is to generate a classical model for the particle electron which can satisfy requirements of the three modern theories: quantum mechanics, special relativity and electrodynamics.

1) Mathematical model I. Electron and quantum mechanics.
Nitin Ramchandra Gadre. AIP Advances 1, 012105 (2011); doi:10.1063/1.3559460. Online Publication Date: 1 March 2011.
2) Mathematical model II. Basic particle and special relativity.
Nitin Ramchandra Gadre. AIP Advances 1, 012106 (2011); doi:10.1063/1.3559461. Online Publication Date: 1 March 2011.

The papers deal with only the preliminary aspects of the new theories. Still, I believe that the approach may lead to some understanding of the phenomenon (to some extent) in classical manner. These and similar classical concepts by other experts may be discussed and debated by the physics community.
 
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I wouldn't call SR or E&M (especially) "modern" haha...
 
The author of above papers has called those theories which are postulate based and not based on a classical picture of the physical system under study as modern/new theories.
 
mane.dada said:
I recently saw two connected articles in AIP Advances.

Don't you mean "wrote"? Because every single thing you've posted here has been pushing those articles. (And have accordingly been deleted, it seems)

And they're a load of incoherent nonsense, which probably wouldn't be published if it hadn't been that "AIP Advances" charges authors for publishing.
 
I did not write any articles. My only aim was to present a classical view point to experts for comments. It’s O.K. even if you find the approach unacceptable and I do not wish to continue this discussion any further.
 
I could read the above two papers as they are freely available (as advertised on the AIP Advances website, first 100 articles free to author also) to the readers. I have tried to find out material in support and against classical approaches on Internet. A journal 'Common Sense Science' supporting classical approaches gives main problem of advanced scientific theories as "cause and effect relationships are replaced with random chance events." Whereas in the paper 'The Classical Electron Problem' by Tepper L. Gill, W. W. Zachary and J.Lindesay (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0405/0405131v1.pdf), it is stated that "The use of particles of finite radius causes serious problems with Lorentz invariance." Mainstream physicists are arguing that experiments have not shown any substructure to electron whereas supporters of classical approach find a picture of point particle with spin unacceptable.
Another paper "Models of the Classical Electron after a Century" by J.L. Jimenez and I. Campos in 'Foundations of Physics Letters' (Vol 12,1999) seems to have discussed many such models and some related problems. This article is available only on payment basis. I am trying to understand all the Q.M. interpretations as I find each one interesting. I do not wish to participate in any debate but I shall be grateful if I am suggested good textbooks or journal articles.
 

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