Can a Constant Force be Achieved with a Variable Spring?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of achieving a constant force using a variable spring mechanism. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of such systems, including their design, limitations, and potential applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests the idea of a spring with a variable spring constant (k) to maintain a constant force regardless of displacement, emphasizing the need for a conservative system without additional energy input.
  • Another participant references a specific product that might meet the requirements for a constant force mechanism.
  • A claim is made that a long spring can approximate a constant force, though specifics are not provided.
  • Questions are raised about the limitations of rolled ribbon springs, including maximum force capacity, deflection characteristics, and potential applications as gym weight replacements.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the specifications of the springs and suggests checking with retailers for detailed information.
  • A participant speculates that expanding rather than contracting springs may not be feasible, but this is presented as a guess rather than a confirmed fact.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of the spring mechanisms or their capabilities, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions regarding their design and application.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of predefined specifications from manufacturers, uncertainty about the performance characteristics of various spring designs, and the absence of empirical data to support claims made in the discussion.

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Not necessarily a spring, I was looking forwards towards an arrangement so as to provide constant force regardless of the distance by which the thing has been pushed...just like a spring with variable k so as to maintain so as to maintain a constant force regardless of the distance it has deviated from it's mean position (commonly called as x) (of course up till a limit).

Now, there should be no additional input energy involved (apart from the force which's acting on the spring/arrangement)...for e.g. a motor (which's active but not rotating will provide a constant force) is not the solution...it should be a conservative system.
 
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I'm sure there are many ways to [over]design something like that, but http://www.vulcanspring.com/conforce.html" might be what you're looking for.
 
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A really long spring will have an almost constant force...
 
These rolled ribbon springs, what exactly are their limitations...I mean, what's the maximum force after which the deflection becomes considerable?

Can they provide 2 or 3 tons with variation of like...0.2 tons at most with a distance of 10 ft?

If so how much space will they require?

An opposite case...can they provide like 4-6 lbs with at most 0.5 lbs deflection with a distance of 1ft?Can they be used as gym weight replacements (not the bars and dumbbells of course...other stuff)?

Finally, can they expand instead of applying force through contraction.
 
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I'm not sure about the specifics. You'll have to check the specs from the retailers. The link I gave before let you spec one out I think. As far as expanding rather than contracting, I would guess no, but that's just my guess.
 
Humm..ok.

I did checkout various manufactures but they only make the thing on order...so they don't have any "predefined" limitations.

Thanks!
 

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