How fast will this torsion spring open a lid?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a spring-loaded lid for a small container, specifically focusing on the performance of a torsion spring in opening the lid. Participants explore the torque requirements, angular acceleration, and the time it takes for the lid to open to a specified angle, incorporating both theoretical calculations and practical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial torque calculation for opening the lid is presented, with a torque requirement of 0.0009 Nm compared to the spring's capability of 0.0132 Nm.
  • Questions are raised about the validity of the calculated angular acceleration of 14087 rad/s², with one participant expressing concern that this value seems excessively high.
  • Participants discuss the need for additional factors such as friction, pressure differences, and the mechanism holding the lid in place, which could affect the lid's motion.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the moment of inertia (MoI) calculations, including the application of the parallel axis theorem and the need to account for the distance from the hinge to the center of gravity.
  • A rough calculation is provided for the initial acceleration and time to open the lid, suggesting approximately 60 milliseconds to open 57 degrees, while noting that the lid may slam against the stop, potentially causing damage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and assumptions made regarding the spring's performance and the dynamics of the lid's motion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact time it will take for the lid to open and the implications of the calculated angular acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential inaccuracies in the moment of inertia calculations, the effects of hinge friction, and the assumptions made about the spring's torque at various angles. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately predicting the lid's motion under the influence of the torsion spring.

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Selection of a torsion spring to open a hinged lid
Hi,

I'm designing a small container with a spring loaded hollow rectangular lid. I want the lid to open when a button is pressed, so I have a torsion spring at the hinge. I want to know if the spring I selected is able to open the lid and also how long it would take to open 90°.

Below is a diagram of the hinge, spring and the center of gravity (COG) of the lid. The mass of the lid is 0.005 kg.
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This is what I have so far:
Torque needed to open lid:
Torque = weight * distance to COG * Cos(33)
= 0.005 kg * 9.8 m/s^2 * 0.0226 m * 0.8386
= 0.0009 Nm

I'm going to design a custom spring, but for the sake of this question let's assume this torsion spring from McMaster which has a max torque of 0.117 in-lbs (0.0132 Nm).
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Question #1: Since this spring is able to provide 0.0132 Nm and I only need 0.0009 Nm, the spring should work. Is this correct?

I also want to know how fast the lid will open in seconds given this spring.
I'm getting the center of gravity MoI from CAD, which I think I need:
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I know that: Torque = Moment of inertia * angular acceleration
So: Angular acceleration = Torque/MoI

Using the spring torque and the Z MoI:
Angular acceleration = 0.0132 Nm/9.371e-007kg*m2
= 14087 rad/s^2

Question #2: Is this correct? This 14087 rad/s^2 answer seems way too fast to me.
Question #3: How do I convert this angular acceleration to the number of seconds it will take the lid to open 90°? I would like it to open in less than 1 second.

Thank you for your time!
 
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Welcome, Prokey. :cool:

What is holding the lid in place?
Is there friction or pressure difference between the lid and the opening it covers and between the lid and any surface during the trajectory?
Is the lid rotating with the arm?
How do you plan to stop or reduce the oscillation caused by the spring after the arm-lid assemblyreaches maximum acceleration?
 
Thanks for the reply, Lnewqban !

I added more details to my diagram. There is a simple button/clip mechanism opposite the hinge holding the lid down. There is no pressure difference or friction, the lid is not sealing in any way. The lid is part of a small handheld container and there is a "hard-stop" on the lower part of the housing to stop the lid from over rotating.

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The hinge and spring are a small version of this:
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The correct moment of inertia is the MOI about the center of gravity (COG) plus M*R^2, where M is the mass and R is the distance from the hinge to the COG. Search parallel axis theorem to learn more.

Design constraints include:
1) Open in less than one second
2) Do not slam it into the end stop too hard

I suggest starting with a spring at zero torque when the COM is directly above the hinge. Then the spring will be twisted 57 degrees when the lid is closed. If I correctly interpret the McMaster-Carr specification, the spring torque at 57 degrees will be 57 / 90 * 0.117 in-lbs * 4.45 N/lb * 0.0254 m/in = 0.0087 N-m.

The torque for initial acceleration is the spring torque minus the torque to raise the lid against gravity, or 0.0087 - 0.0009 = 0.0078 N-m. Hinge friction will also subtract from the net torque for acceleration, but hinge friction is typically (not always) small enough to ignore.

The initial acceleration will decrease as the lid raises. The exact calculation in closed form would be a challenge because the horizontal distance from the hinge to the COM is a trig function. A numerical solution is a typical real world way to get a near exact lid opening time. Or you can do a rough calculation that just might meet your needs.

Rough calculation: The MOI about the hinge is about 3.5E-6 kg-m^2. The initial acceleration is approximately 0.0078 N-m / 3.5E-6 kg-m^2 = 2200 rad/sec^2. Just as D = 0.5 * a * t^2 for linear acceleration, theta = 0.5 * alpha * t^2 for angular acceleration. Theta is in radians, alpha is in rad/sec^2, and 57 degrees is 1.0 radians.

Solving for t, I get about 30 msec to open 57 degrees. Since the acceleration decreases to zero at that point, multiply by two to get 60 msec. Remember, this is a rough calculation. The remaining 33 degrees to the end stop is at constant velocity.

The lid will open with a bang and slam against the end stop. It will most likely break if opened too many times. I used approximate numbers to show how to do the calculation. Now it's your turn to use real numbers. Enjoy.
 
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Thank you, this was the guidance I needed!
 
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