Can a Continuous Function Satisfy f'(f(x)) = x?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of a continuous function f(x) defined on the entire real line such that the derivative of f evaluated at f(x) equals x, expressed as f'(f(x)) = x. Participants explore the implications of this equation and the relationships between f and its derivative.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the functions involved, considering whether f(x) and its derivative f'(x) can be inverses of each other. There is an exploration of the meaning of the notation used and how it relates to the problem. Some participants question the interpretation of the derivative notation and its implications for integration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between the functions and their derivatives, while others are seeking clarification on how to proceed with the mathematical reasoning involved.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the notation used for inverse functions and derivatives, which may impact the understanding of the problem. Additionally, some participants express uncertainty about how to apply certain mathematical theorems to the problem at hand.

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Homework Statement



Is there a continuous function f(x), which has the whole real line as its domain,
such that f'(f(x))=x?

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I mentally thought of the inputs that x goes into f(x) that goes into f'(x) which inturn equals x.
so i thought that
[f(x) should = 1/f'(x)]

i solved the equation to get f(x) = sqrt(2x)

which does not satisfy the initial condition of

f'(f(x))=x

all help is appreciated!
 
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I think you are thinking about this in the right way. You basically have a composition of functions g(x) and f(x) to make g(f(x)). In this example, g(x) just happens to be f'(x).

BugMeNot_dude said:
I mentally thought of the inputs that x goes into f(x) that goes into f'(x) which inturn equals x.
so i thought that
[f(x) should = 1/f'(x)]

Not quite! You are correct that g(x) = f'(x) essentially "undoes" whatever f(x) does. But that does NOT mean that they are reciprocals as you have written. It means that they are inverses. The function g(x) is the inverse function to the function f(x). I know it's confusing especially since the notation f-1(x) is used to mean "the inverse function of f(x)." But here, the superscript -1 does not mean "raise to the power of -1 (reciprocal)." It denotes the inverse function.

So the question is, is there a function f(x) whose derivative is equal to its own inverse?
 
Does

[tex]f'(f(x)) = \frac{ df(f(x))}{ dx} or \frac{ df(f(x))}{ df(x)}?[/tex]

In the first case, we can directly integrate to eliminate the derivative. In the second case, we can integrate by parts.
 
I think that f'(f(x)) means "evaluate the derivative of the function f(y) at y = f(x)"

In other words:

[tex]f^\prime (f(x)) = \frac{df}{dy}\bigg |_{y=f(x)}[/tex]

I edited my post a few times, because I realized that the letter 'x' was doing double duty as a generic symbol for the arguments of two different functions.
 
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Hey thank you for replying i realize you are correct and that
f-1(x) = f'(x) but I was unable to differentiate it. I know that the theorum
(f-1)'(x) = 1/(f'(f-1(x))), but I don't know how to go about using the two equations...

Can you guys help me and explain the answer?
 
This is an interesting question.

If [tex]f^\prime(f(x))=x[/tex] for all x in R then [tex]f^\prime(x)=f^{-1}(x)[/tex] so that

[tex](f(f(x))^\prime=f^\prime (f(x))=f^\prime(f(x))f^\prime(x)=xf^\prime(x)=xf^{-1}(x)[/tex]

Can you take it from here?

Edit: made a mistake, will fix it up
 
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