Can a Ducted Fan Serve as Both a Propulsor and a Wind Turbine?

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This discussion focuses on the feasibility of using a ducted fan as both a propulsor for an airship and a wind turbine for electricity generation. The participant is exploring the mechanical and aerodynamic implications of such a dual-purpose design, specifically regarding gearbox configurations and operational RPM ranges. Key insights include the advantages of ducted fans in reducing tip and vortex drag, and the potential use of variable pitch propellers to address RPM challenges. The integration of a hybrid H2-air fuel cell and supercapacitor system is proposed to optimize energy storage and management.

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So I'm working on a thesis project at the moment designing an airship, and I've run into a bit of a stumbling point.

I'm wondering if it would be possible to have a propeller that works to produce propulsive power when it needs to fly, but when the craft is tethered could operate as an electricity-generating wind turbine. The electrical system is definitely capable of it, but what I'm unsure about are the mechanicals (i.e. the gearbox and operational rpm ranges for both different applications), and more importantly the aerodynamics.

I've read that ducted fans are more efficient for propulsion, but to be honest, I'm not exactly sure why. Obviously the effects of the duct on the aerodynamic flow around the propeller would have a big impact on the efficiency of it as a generator, and I'm not sure whether they would be positive or negative.

I have some reading to do on actuator disc theory and fluid dynamics, but I must say I'm in over my head (I'm an industrial designer, not an engineer, by trade, so this entire thesis has been a serious crash course in the fun math and physics side of things).

At the moment I'm not too overly concerned about the specifics so much as a basic idea of whether or not it's feasible.

I greatly appreciate any help, and thanks in advance!
 
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an airship needs to be light weight
batterys are heavy
so I fail to see a big gain from electricity-generating wind turbine

but a ducted fan could make power
the main gain is from reduced tip drag votex drag
vairable pitch props should solve the gear/rpm problem
 
Thanks for the reply.

Instead of using heavy batteries as accumulators, the plan is to use a hybrid H2-air fuel cell/supercapacitor system to smooth out the input from solar cells and the wind turbine before it goes to the inverter. If hydrogen is used as the lift gas, then there's an ample supply for the fuel cell, and it can be over-inflated at tethered altitudes to provide enough buffer capacity, since it doesn't need the additional air volume in the ballonets to provide the pressure height (which should free up about 10% of the available internal volume...that's huge).

Variable pitch props make sense. My only real concern was whether the actual duct design would be dramatically different for use as a propulsor or as a generator. But from what I've been able to find, they both use a roughly airfoil-shaped profile - ducted wind turbines have a much more significant flare towards the outlet, but I think that might partly be because drag isn't a factor on a static turbine.
 

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