Can a k-Form Be Integrated Over Lower Dimensional Manifolds?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of k-forms over manifolds of varying dimensions, exploring the conditions under which such integrations can occur, particularly focusing on the relationship between the dimensions of the forms and the manifolds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a k-form can only be integrated on an n-dimensional manifold if k equals n, while others suggest that integration is possible if k is less than or equal to n, though not guaranteed.
  • One participant mentions that a k-form can be integrated on a k-dimensional manifold or on a k-dimensional submanifold of an n-dimensional manifold, providing an example of integrating a 2-form on a surface in three-dimensional space.
  • Another participant raises a question about the relationship between the integral of a 2-form associated with a vector field and the surface integral of that vector field.
  • A participant explains that the integral of a k-form is defined on a smooth k-chain and notes that integration is not defined for unorientable k manifolds.
  • It is mentioned that sometimes a k-form can be integrated over lower-dimensional manifolds, resulting in a lower-dimensional differential form, particularly in the context of fiber bundles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for integrating k-forms over manifolds, with no consensus reached on the exact criteria or implications of such integrations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the orientation of manifolds and the specific definitions of k-forms and chains, which may affect the integration process.

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i only can integrate a k-form in a n-dimensional manifold, if k=n right?
 
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davi2686 said:
i only can integrate a k-form in a n-dimensional manifold, if k=n right?

I think you can integrate a k-form in n-dim if k<=n but its not guaranteed:

or some smooth functions fi on U.

The second idea leading to differential forms arises from the following question: given a differential 1-form α on U, when does there exist a function f on U such that α = df? The above expansion reduces this question to the search for a function f whose partial derivatives ∂f / ∂xi are equal to n given functions fi. For n > 1, such a function does not always exist: any smooth function f satisfies

\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^i \, \partial x^j} = \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^j \, \partial x^i} ,

so it will be impossible to find such an f unless

\frac{\partial f_j}{\partial x^i} - \frac{\partial f_i}{\partial x^j}=0.

for all i and j.

from the wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_form
 
You can integrate k-form on k dimensional manifold. You can have k-form on n dimensional manifold, where n>k. This can be integrated on k-dimensional submanifold of original manifold. For example you can integrate 2-form on a surface in three dimensional space.
 
thanks dudes
 
are the integral of a 2-form associate with a vector field the same thing to surface integral of that vector field?
 
The integral of a k form is defined on a smooth k chain. A smooth k chain is a formal algebraic sum of smooth oriented k simplices.
An oriented k manifold can be expressed as a smooth k chain so integration of k forms is defined. Not so for an unorientable k manifold. It can not be expressed as a smooth k chain.

Sometimes an k form can be integrated over lower dimensional manifolds. The result is a lower dimensional differential form. For example integration along the fibers of a fiber bundle reduces the dimension of the form by the dimension of the fiber.
 

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