Can a Point Exist in an Integratable Function Where the Integral Equals Half?

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The discussion revolves around whether there exists a point \( c \) in the interval \([0,1]\) such that the integral of a function \( f(x) \), which is integrable and satisfies \( f(x) \ge 1 \) for \( 0 \le x \le 1 \), equals \( \frac{1}{2} \). Participants explore the application of the Intermediate Value Theorem (IVT) and the properties of integrals in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the IVT is required to show the existence of point \( c \) such that \( \int_{0}^{c} f(t)\,dt = \frac{1}{2} \).
  • Another participant proposes defining the function \( F(x) = \int_0^x f(t)\, dt - \frac{1}{2} \) and shows that \( F(0) < 0 \) and \( F(1) > 0 \) based on the properties of \( f \).
  • A participant expresses confusion about the derivation of \( F(1) \) and seeks clarification on how it was concluded that \( F(1) \ge \frac{1}{2} \).
  • It is noted that since \( f(x) \ge 1 \), the integral from \( 0 \) to \( 1 \) must be at least \( 1 \), leading to the conclusion about \( F(1) \).
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the properties of integrals when comparing functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the IVT and the properties of integrals, but there is some confusion regarding the specific calculations and reasoning behind the conclusions drawn, indicating that the discussion remains partially unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of how certain conclusions were reached, particularly regarding the derivation of \( F(1) \) and the assumptions made about the function \( f \). The discussion does not fully resolve these points of confusion.

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A function is integratable on [0,1] and that $$f(x)\ge 1 $$ for $$0 \le x\le1$$. Show that there must be a point, c, on the interval [0,1] such that $$\int_{0}^{c} f(t)\,dt = \frac{1}{2}$$.

Can anyone point me to the right direction as to how to solve this? I.e does it require the IVT, the FTC, etc?
 
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This requires the IVT.
 
Just what I didn't want to hear, lol. I haven't done any proofs requiring IVT. Can you start me off?
 
Hi Rido12,

Since $f$ is integrable on $[0,1]$, the function

$\displaystyle F(x) = \int_ 0^x f(t)\, dt - \frac{1}{2}$

is continuous on $[0,1]$. Show that $ F (0) < 0$ and $ F (1) > 0$ (using the fact that $ f \ge 1$ on $[0,1] $). Then you can use IVT to deduce the result.
 
Euge said:
$\displaystyle F(x) = \int_ 0^x f(t)\, dt - \frac{1}{2}$

I know that to be true, in general:
$\displaystyle \int_{0}^{x} f(t)\,dt = F(x) + K$
because the derivative of a constant is 0, but how did you deduce the above?
 
Rido12 said:
I know that to be true, in general:
$\displaystyle \int_{0}^{x} f(t)\,dt = F(x) + K$
because the derivative of a constant is 0, but how did you deduce the above?

There's no need to involve the derivative. You know $ F$ is continuous on $[0,1] $, $F (0) = -\frac{1}{2} < 0$ and (since $f \ge 1$)

$\displaystyle F (1) \ge 1 - \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} > 0$.

So by the IVT, there is a point $c\in (0,1) $ such that $ F (c) = 0$. In other words,

$\displaystyle \int_0^c f (t)\, dt = \frac{1}{2} $.
 
Right! The answer was so obvious...I got up to the point right before you applied the IVT, but I thought I was oversimplifying it. Thanks!

EDIT: On second though, I think my "thanks" was a bit premature. I understand your logic, but I'm still confused as to how you came up with this conclusion:

$\displaystyle F(x) = \int_ 0^x f(t)\, dt - \frac{1}{2}$

I understand how you got $F(0)$:

$\displaystyle F(x) = \int_ 0^0 f(t)\, dt - \frac{1}{2}=0-\frac{1}{2}=\frac{-1}{2}<0$

But how did you get $\displaystyle F (1) \ge 1 - \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} > 0$?
 
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Rido12 said:
Right! The answer was so obvious...I got up to the point right before you applied the IVT, but I thought I was oversimplifying it. Thanks!

EDIT: On second though, I think my "thanks" was a bit premature. I understand your logic, but I'm still confused as to how you came up with this conclusion:

$\displaystyle F(x) = \int_ 0^x f(t)\, dt - \frac{1}{2}$

I understand how you got $F(0)$:

$\displaystyle F(x) = \int_ 0^0 f(t)\, dt - \frac{1}{2}=0-\frac{1}{2}=\frac{-1}{2}<0$

But how did you get $\displaystyle F (1) \ge 1 - \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} > 0$?

Since $f(x) \ge 1$ for all $ x\in [0,1]$, we have

$\displaystyle \int_0^1 f(x)\, dx \ge \int_0^1 1 dx = 1$,

and therefore $ F(1) \ge 1 - \frac{1}{2} = \frac{1}{2} $.

Keep in mind this important property of integrals. If $ f $ and $ g $ are integrable on $[a, b] $ such that $f (x ) \ge g (x)$ for all $ x\in [a, b] $, then

$\displaystyle \int_a^b f (x)\, dx \ge \int_a^b g (x)\, dx$.
 

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